Sunday, 27 November 2011

Re: [www.keralites.net] Do you need God?

 

Dear Pramod & Prasad,


Could you please my earlier mail thoroughly once again and try to understand the meaning. If it is for sharing the ideas or for knowing other religions beliefs, I can very well explain it thousands time. But if you are interested in taking blood from the Udder, let us stop the exchange of communications. I am telling you are misquoting the statements from Old testament out of context. In the Bible it is written Judah hanged himself due to his prick in conscience. Again another place it is written you also do the same. You combine these two sentences and say it is written in the bible that everybody should go and hand himself. This is typical type of blood hunters interpretations. That is why I said you are spiritually blind. It means your spiritual faculty is dead like deaf cannot hear the music however high the volume is. Now if you are willing you can listen to the following.


First of all, let me again tell you clearly Bible is not book describing the Mighty Power of God. The old testament reveals how God (Yehova) deals with the his creation Man and in due course of time HE selected Jews as His own people because of His promises to Abraham. Old testament is given to Jews only to discipline them to live in the way God wants them to be among the gentiles. The law says if you depart from the law, HE will punish while when they obey HE will bless them in everything. And also old testament depicts how HE protected his people from idol worshiping gentiles and how HE punish them for their wickedness. The first and foremost law of 10 commandments is not to bow any other gods and do not make or worship an Idol who has no ear to hear nor he can move without the help of a man. Why ? God in Bible cannot be compared to any creature in this universe as God is Spirit. He is Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscience( All knowing) . Can anybody make the idol of Living God: with what material: Did anybody see God till now: If we make sculpture of a man with straw or cow dung, it will be definitely it is an effigy, it is an insulation to his personality. Same way God hates Idols of all sort in HIS name. that is why God punished Jews and for unholiness. Living God in Bible is Lovable God at the same time He is Mighty and Righteous and above all HOLY God. So He punish the sinners and nobody will be there to deliver them from punishment. If e any God who is not punishing sin, then that God will be the Father of all sins. That is Satan.

Your quoting all from Old testament without explaining the context why God punished the people and who he punished and for what. Only one quote you made from New testament I have to explain for discarding your doubt. I presume you are reading the bible like Manorama news paper looking for some bad things. Any book should be read with reference to the context. Mathew 10 , Jesus speak to His disciples telling that it is not easy to follow what he is teaching because it is self denial. He is telling if somebody is cursing, do not curse them, just bless them, if somebody is taking your blanket, give him your clothes also. After that he is telling after all doing these good things, do not expect people will love or like you or support you. So Jesus new teaching of Peace will not bring worldly peace, instead when you believe in Jesus, other people including your parents and relatives will become enemy to you as Love of God is enimity with World as you will loose many worldly things and pleasures. This you can understand only when you read the whole chapter, not one sentence in between and misinterpreting and misleading the readers and polluting their minds with doubts and disbeliefs.


Dear if you really wants to know the TRUTH, SEEK AND YOU WILL FIND. THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.

Let me quote a prayer by Pujaris ( Veda )


Thamoso ma jyothirgamaya
Asathoma Sathyam gamaya
Mrithoma Amritham gamaya


Here is the answer from Bible

Jesus said: John 15:6
I am the way, the truth, and the life:


Believe or not believe it is your CHOICE. But one day all tongue will say Jesus Christ is the Lord and all the knees shall bow. Bible is true and the whole universe can change, but the words will not change.

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Christo Nenmaani <christojn@gmail.com> wrote:

Mr. Pramodh,

Good Day to You.

We are not angry on Prasad, we just tried to share What we know...I have a limited knowledge which I shared with him in my own known ways, that's it &from that if u feel that we were angry, then we are sorry & there somebody indirectly called him SADDIST and I even asked him not to do so...

And as u said religion is something what we people brought up & their lived people before that....but the ultimate thing which every religion teaches us is to love...religion is man made, but LOVE IS ETERNAL....with LOVE COMES PEACE.....& if there is PEACE, there won't be any violence & selfish thoughts....& if there is no violence & selfish thoughts....there won't be any sin.....but when this love is lost, selfish thoughts emerged & violence increased, peace was lost and everybody started doing sins....then the Lord send his Beloved Son Jesus Christ to protect us....rest u know what happened, just as u mentioned in ur mail, "Agreed that good lord Jesus did die for the humans." so I need not tell u anything. And thus the reliigion emerged.But yes, we the humans are still the same...we didn't change & those who changed they have become great like Mother Teresa......& 1 more thing JESUS sacrificed himself because he was sent to this mortal world for that purpose & HE fulfilled it with great pain & by sacrificing his own life....& it was for whole human kind who lived before HIM, with HIM & after HIM....

& regarding clash between Islam & Christianity...as far as I know there is no such fights ever happened....if you know it please mention....& regarding Muhammed & Jesus....I think Islam consider Holy Quran as a Holy Book and as far as I know there is nowhere in Holy Quran it is mentioned that Prophet Muhammed is Son of God neither Jesus is Son of God (I can be wrong because I never read Holy Quran and whatever little knowledges I have, I earned it from my friends who believe in Islam)...as per the Holy Quran Muhammed & Jesus both are Prophets, messengers of Almighty God / Almighty Allah....hope you heard LA ILAAHI ILLALLAH, MUHAMMED RASOOLULLAH which means that THERE IS NO ONE AS MIGHTY AS ALLAH, & MUHAMMED IS HIS MESSENGER....as per Holy Quran there were lot of prophets who came before Prophet Muhammed & Jesus is one among them....(I believe that whatever I mentioned in this para is correct & if there is any mistake someone who knows it exactly, please correct it)....& 1 more request...please don't ever say that Islam & Christians had a clash....& I hope my THOUGHT is enough for u rather than any Christians.....our teachings are almost similar, only few differences like what I mentioned above....rest all almost same, though not exactly same....both says that the Almighty God or Almighty Allah has no form or no shape & I believe that no one can change this statement....

And regarding Your doubt in last few lines, after reading your mail that of all those who commented on this topic u were more aggressive....& regarding reading the scriptures of other religion, I think u should do it coz if u would have did it u will never say that Islam & Christians had a clash on the issue that who is Son of God....please don't try to divert the topic saying such things, it's my humble request to u....& regarding my faith, yes it started from my parents, then family, then Church, then Friends....& so many people....I always tried to learn about other religions too but I ask those who can guide me, not all....since my childhood my parents gave me full freedom in that matter, I go to Mosque & Darga with my friends....I follow their rituals when I m there...I went to temples, I follow their rituals when I m there...it's not because I doubt my religion or my faith but because my religion taught me to love and respect all individuals & religion and their beliefs....as I told LOVE IS THE BASE for everything.....

Still if u feel that we were getting angry on Prasad, we all are sorry....but truly we were just trying to let him know what we know...& to you also....

I am extremely sorry if I made any mistake in the above statements or any of my comments are hurting...

May God Bleas You & Your Family...

Sent from my iPhone

On 27-Nov-2011, at 10:02 AM, pramodh shivram <pramodh.shiv@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All...

Prasad has just quoted verses from the holy bible...maybe the old testament.

But whatever said and done, word of God is the word of God and the holy book is still the holy book no matter old or new testament.
We all would appreciate if you could just clarify the verses he had mentioned and enlighten those who are not very familiar with bible, than lashing at him for writing such verses.
And also please do understand that...
The concept of religion and God was brought by our own people. There were people walking the face of this earth even before religions or for that matter primitive beings.
Agreed that good lord Jesus did die for the humans. But what has it really acheived.Has the so called people changed themselves as per his teachings...rather they are at their peak of ruins. Being a christian and a firm follower of Christ, can you boldly state that you have followed the teachings of bible? nor can any christian state this???
And finally, There has always been a clash between Islam and christianity as
to Muhammed or Jesus is the son of God...?
There have been may books written by Islam scholars on this.Has there been any thought given to these by fellow christians.
Or have many christians have read these claims and tried to understand the truth?
Who told you that you are a christian or brought you up as a christian...If you believe in your parents who inturn believes in the priest who gives sermons and these priests who believes in their higher levels...What truth does it hold really??The same goes for all the religions...
I think you should be open to all religions, accept everyone as your fellowbeing, read all scriptures , question your own faith and belief and finally take a call on what is true and what is not. By doin this, you will understand your faith and belief, you will not get angry or upset when someone says bad about your religion rather you would be in a better position to explain to him of his follies.This is just an opinion and not meant to hurt anyones personal feelings.

thanks and regards
pramodh

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Christo Nenmaani <christojn@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. John & Mr. Binil,

Good Day to you....

Myself Christo...hope u have read my reply to for Mr. Prasad...there I mentioned that I didn't read Prasad's entire message coz his intention was clear from 1st two lines & I didn't have time to read his useless & baseless things.....so I left it....& from what I read I understood bit about him & his level of thinking so I replied him in very simple language that too with the example that was from the Holy Book in which he believe in....but he again responded to that....& I felt that if I again reply to it, it will be like I doubt my faith & I m trying to prove that my faith is true.....as said in BIBLE, it's ur faith that makes u great not others....so I want u both to be strong enough in ur faith & live accordingly rather than commenting & wasting time behind someone like Prasad......& our religion teach us to show the right path to those who lost it or who is unaware of it & I m sure that those who comes to know about it, will love it, respect it, accept it & few may even convert themselves to it too....But when I tried to explain him & I got his reply I really felt bad. It because what I said or he asked but I tried to use some sayings from the HOLY BOOK in which He believe in....I felt that using those words to explain someone like him is insulting that HOLY BOOK....so I stopped replying to him....& both of u please remember 1 thing, I didn't read what Mr. Binil wrote it would be something to open to eyes of Mr. Prasad...U CAN WAKE ONLY THE ONE WHO IS SLEEPING BUT NOT THE ONE WHO IS PRETENDING TO BE SLEEPING (URANGUNAVANNE UNARTHAAN KAZHIYUM, URAKAM NADIKYUNAVANNE UNARTHAAN KAZHIYILLA).....hope both of u understood....

& 1 suggestion to Mr. John for u mentioned Mr. Prasad as pra SAD is SADDIST.....I m sorry on behalf of Mr. Prasad for whatever he told but if you also use such words indirectly to point him WHAT DIFFERENCE IS THERE BETWEEN U & HIM....our religion teaches us to love & respect all religion & all individual....I wish & pray that atleast Mr. Prasad can learn to love & respect others, their faith, their belief, etc.....

& if u both want to show or bring Mr. Prasad to right path it's not by commenting on what he said, but through our prayers.... We all can pray for him so that the LORD show him the right path...this is the only thing we can do for him...& this is the only way he will change....

Also, let me thank Mr. Prasad for he is a reason My LORD gifted me someone very important, I got one true friend/sister from this Keralities Group just because I commented on what he said....MR. PRASAD IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE, BELIEVE.....as simple as that....EVEN THE HAIRS ON YOUR HEAD ARE COUNTED....now don't ask me how much is that & even if u ask, there is no wonder because your understanding level is only that much....Mr. Prasad, everything is planned, not by me, by MY LORD by EVERYBODY's LORD....let ur time come & even you will change, even u will understand.....

May the ALMIGHTY LORD BLESS MR. JOHN & MR. BINIL & BOTH OF THEIR FAMILIES & MR. PRASAD TOO & SHOW HIM THE RIGHT PATH....

Sent from my iPhone

On 26-Nov-2011, at 2:52 AM, John cherian <john_cherian15@yahoo.com> wrote:

Do you need God?

Few quotes from Old Testament of Bible which is the story of Israelites who are selected by the Supreme Power to set an example to all Human beings. Old testament speaks about the holy and unholy things happened in relation to Isralites and gentiles around them. But Jesus Christ came to this world for the redemption of all people from their SINS , the people ever lived and going to live in this world till the Kingdom of God is established in this earth. The New Testament reveal about the Love of God to Man. God the Father so loved the people so that He has given His Begotten Son to us, by His Blood ( His Sacrifice) we are set free from Sins, for those who believe in Him. That is Gods Justice or righteousness. Think about this do you sacrifice your son for your enemy? How you call this Loving Father, a terrorist. One thing keep in your mind, we are just a creature, He is the Creator of this whole universe. We will be judged according our deeds and words. You have the choice to Believe or not, you have no choice to insult any bodys belief. Why you cannot understand spirituality, only because you are spiritually deaf, blind and dumb. So do not blame something if you do not understand. You can never see the Sun with a powerful torch, unless and until it shines by itself. Since you have BIBLE with you, read the following from Old testament itself, you will realize why you do not understand word of God.

Psalms{92:5} O LORD, how great are thy works! [and] thy thoughts are very deep. {92:6} A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.

For people like you, you have no right to take His Word in your mouth.

Psalms:{50:16} But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or [that] thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?

What God will do such people ?

Psalms{50:22} Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear [you] in pieces, and [there be] none to deliver.

God who revealed Himself in the Bible is a Holy, Lovable and Righteous God. So He will not compromise on SINS, He is righteous God, hence He has to judge and punish and He is Lovable God and So He give all Men the Grace of Salvation who believe in His Son. Ask the Living God (whoever He is) to reveal the TRUTH to you and The TRUTH shall set you free from the Bondages of ignorance and Sin.

Look at this instance: If somebody split your name Prasad as Pra SAD= SADDIST, is it true?. The same way you are misquoting some statement from the Bible out of Context and interpreting maliciously in a wrong way so as to reflect your dirty thoughts of Evil. I am giving you just as an example. Bible says Wisdom of Men is foolery in front of God. God is Almighty, Omnipresent and All Knowing. He reigns whole universe and He does not anybodys support for His Kingdom.

Last but least, Bible says Our God is Heavenly Father, ONLY children can address in this way. For every one God is God, for Christians God is Heavenly Father. That is the Uniqueness and Right of True Christians through Our Lord Jesus Christ. HIS name be Glorified. He is King of King and God of god. He is the answer to all questions in this world and Eternity. HE IS COMING SOON AS THE JUDGE AND THE KING.

Those who have ears, let them listen.

johnmcherian@indiatimes.com

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From: Prasad N <prasad_n83@yahoo.co.in>
Date: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:11 PM
Subject: [www.keralites.net] Re: Do you need God?
To: Keralites <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>

Hi,

Here are some comments from Bible. After reading Bible i felt that terrorists are better than the god mentioned in bible.Is this book is called as Holy Book?

GOD SAID For this time I will ascend all my plagues on you and your servant and your people, so that you may know that there is no one like me in the earth (Exodus 9- 14)

God said For if by now I had put forth my hand and struck you and your servants and your people with pestilence, you would then have been cut off from the earth (Exodus 9 15 )

The God said: And all the first born in the land of Egypt shall die, from the first born of the pharaoh who sits on his throne, even to the first born of the slave girl who is behind the millstones; all the first born of the cattle as well. ( Exodus 11-5 )

And when Israel saw the great power which the lord had used against the Egyptians, the people feared the lord and they believed in the lord and in his servant Moses ( Exodus 14-31 )

God said: you shall not worship them or serve them; for I , the lord your god, am a jealous god, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate me (Exodus 20 5)

The god said; and if a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the males do (Exodus 21 -7 )

If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand he shall be punished. If, however, he (slave) survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken, for he is his property (Exodus 21-20,21)

He who sacrifices to any god, other than to the lord alone, shall be utterly destroyed (exodus 22-20)

You shall not worship their gods, nor serve them, nor do according to their deeds; but you shall utterly overthrow them, and break their sacred pillars in pieces. But if you shall serve the lord your god and he will bless your bread and your water; and I will remove sickness from your midst (exodus 23 -24,25)

Watch yourself that you make no covenant with the inhabitants of the land into which you are going, lest it become a snare in your midst. Rather, you are to tear down their altars and smash their sacred pillars and cut down their asherims ( exodus 34- 12,13)

While the meat was still between their teeth, before it was chewed, the anger of the lord was kindled against the people, and the lord struck the people with a very severe plague (Numbers 11-33)

The anger of the lord burned against them and he departed. But when the cloud had withdrawn from over the tent, behold, Miriam was leprous, as white as snow. As Aaron turned toward Miriam, behold she was leprous ? (Numbers 12- 9,10)

And the lord said to Moses, how long will this people spurn me? And how long will they not believe in me despite all the signs which I have performed in their midst ? I will smite them with pestilence and disposes them ( Number 14 11,12)

Then you shall destroy out all the inhabitants of the land before you and destroy all their figured stones and destroy and their molten images and demolish all their high places; and you shall take possession of the land and live in it, for I have given the land to you to possess it ? (Number 33-52)

The people who arearound you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end. You shall not yield to him or listen to him and your eyes shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. But you shall surely kill him your hand shall be first against him to put him to death and afterwards the hand of all the people. So you shall stone him to death because he has sought to seduce you from the lord your god who brought you out from the land if Egypt ( Deuteronomy 13 -7-9)

If two men , a man and his country man, are struggling together and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not pity ( Bible: Deuteronomy 25-11)

THE GOD SAID (in bible), behold, I will rise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes, and give them to your companion, and he shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel and under the sun ((2 Samuel 12- 11,12)

Thus says the lord:, because you have let go out of your hand the man whom I (the god) devoted to destruction, therefore your life shall go for his life and your people for his people (1 Kings 20 -42)

Thus says the lord, in the place where the dogs licked up the blood of Naboth the dogs shall lick up your blood, even yours (1 kings 21 -19- Bible)

And it came about at the beginning of their living there, that they did not fear the lord; therefore the lord sent lions among them which killed some of them (Bible 2 kings 17 25).

Then it happened the angel of the lord went out and struck 1, 85,000 in the camp of Assyrians and when men rose early in the morning, behold all of them are dead ( 2 kings 19 - 35)

The god said my anger will be directed to their destruction (Bible: Isaiah 10 -25)


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