Sanjeev,
Superstitious fear is a critical force to reckon with and the priestly class used it to their advantage not only in India but everywhere. In Europe the priestly class are far fewer in numbers than the Brahmins in India. However the Pope and the church hierarchy wielded more power than any political entity and that too without any army. In India the Brahmins were respected and feared not for their temporal power but for their spiritual power.
On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 at 23:38, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Xavier,
Thanks for your reply. But I am not any wiser if Brahmins are continuing any atrocities which are still institutionalized today. That was the crux of the issue.I can make out other castes were committing crimes and caste discrimination. I do not understand what was the idea of calling it "on behalf of Brahmins?" Were Brahmins reluctant or not capable or considered it a dirty job not worthy of their status? Why others obliged if they did not agree with the system? On what basis you say it was on behalf of Brahmins and not on their own by these other castes?
I can figure out, caste hatred started after the failure of the 1857 freedom struggle. Hatred started between Hindus and Muslims and between Brahmins and non-Brahmins. The reasons are obvious even to the blind. British colonial masters realized who had challenged their power in India and who had the intellectual capability to analyse colonial exploitation and awaken sleeping society. In Maharashtra, the list of Brahmin freedom fighters is very impressive compared to others. So it was in the interest of British colonial masters to sow seeds of caste discrimination when it was practised for thousands of years without social strife. New educational policy and books giving distorted history were circulated. (Same tactics were used by America to brainwash the Taliban against USSR in Afghan war). If it was really exploitative as is made out to be, I do not think people would have continued it for several thousands of years. So there is something fishy here. All the so-called caste atrocities mentioned in Manusmruti are on paper. But you hardly find any actual events documented and authenticated. So the question is who actually translated Manusmruti and told the people that this is what is written in Manusmruti? Why it was not practised anywhere? You come across Muslims stoning to death people committing adultery. But you never come across anyone putting hot lead in the ears of lower caste person for listening to Vedas. It is more of hype than reality. These myths are deliberately circulated even today.
Also, Manu, Ram, Krishna, Vishwamitra, Valmiki (who wrote Ramayan) were not Brahmins. All the scriptures etc. who suppose to give a high place to Brahmins in social hierarchy were not authored by Brahmins. And there is no mention of any revolt by lower castes in thousands of years if they were really suffering. It was also practically impossible for 2-3% people to exploit 97% of people for several thousand years. So the question is who invented these myths and why and why are we carrying the same without questioning the facts and motive?
I think Brahmins are a handy target to shield real culprits having money and power because Brahmins have no money power and no muscle power and they are only 2-3% so no political clout either. People, of course, will hate those who make progress not just in India but abroad also without any patronage. So any myth supporting their hatred is accepted without questions. The real perpetrators of atrocities have political, muscle and money power but others have no courage to talk about them lest there will be a price to pay. So Brahmins are a soft target.I hope in all fairness, at least you will give justice to this reality in future.
SANJEEVOn Saturday, 5 September, 2020, 03:01:54 pm IST, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups..com> wrote:Sanjeev,In Kerala they were the Nairs, the Sudra class, who were in the forefront of all the violence on behalf of the higher classes as was seen at Sabarimala two years ago.. For some strange reason there are only a handful of Kshatriyas in Kerala and no Vaisyas to speak of. So all the dirty work was done by the Nairs-Menon-Nambiar-Pillai classes. Kerala was ruled by the Hindu Kings of Cochin and Travancore and their armies and police were packed with the Nairs-Menon-Nambiar-Pillai classes. So all the atrocities on the lower castes were perpetrated by these classes on behalf of the higher castes. Even now there is unbridgeable animosity between the NSS representing the Nair classes and the organisations such as the SNDP representing the Ezhavas, the most populous of the Backward castes as well as between the NSS and the KPMS representing the Pulayas who form the most populous section of the scheduled castes.As for Brahmins entering the fray, they did not have to do it as the Kshatriyas did all the fighting on behalf of the Brahmins. In fact all over the world the priestly classes seldom resorted to violence. Instead it was always done by the soldier classes no only in India but elsewhere also.Violence does not have to be physical always. There is what is called structural violence which is violence built into the social system. Slavery and the Serf system were examples of such structural violence. The caste system was another of such examples of structural violence.In the past societies were highly hierarchical and such systems of structural violence were universal almost all over the world. So we dont have to single out any society and blame them for their discriminatory policies towards slaves, serfs, Dalits, women and other weak sections of the past societies. But what the Sanghis do is they try to whitewash the atrocities of the Vedic system as is well described in the Manusmrithi, the Arthsasthra and other scriptures even as they highlight the atrocities committed by other sections of Indians such as the Muslims and Christians.What I am trying to convey is that it is time we bury the past and work towards a common future which will benefit everyone. Confrontational politics based on religion is not an option for India. Our future lies in reconciliation and not in confrontation.On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 at 10:31, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Xavier,I am working for a reformist organization. Can you give me alist of atrocities which Brahmins have still institutionalizedtoday?Any social evil like Sati, untouchability or crimes againstlower castes etc.? Or social evils like organized crimes, riots,burning of public property in the name of justice etc.? In Maharashtrastate at least I meticulously check the news items of any atrocitiescommitted by Brahmins against the lower castest, but have never foundany names of Brahmins so far in any of the crimes mentioned above.Almost always non-Brahmins are involved who are always at the forefrontof cursing Brahmins. Even so-called Dalits commit the same if not worseatrocities on the castes lower than them. Maybe they will be in Kerala?I just wanted to check if we are deliberately harping on the dead pastor it is still relevant.SANJEEVOn Friday, 4 September, 2020, 09:09:07 am IST, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:For over 2000 years the Brahmanic hordes crushed the Sudras, the Dasyus, the Chandalas and the Dalits. The Manusmrithi, the Arthasasthra and other ancient Indian writings attest to that. The Kerala Aithihya mala or "the legends of Kerala" written hardly a hundred years ago also attests to the despicable practices of the caste system.When the Channar women wanted to cover up their breasts who beat them up? the high castes!Who opposed the Dalits from even walking in the vicinity of the Vaikom Temple? The high castes?Who stood in the way of the dalits entering the Guruvayoor temple? The Hindu king of Cochin?Now Sanghis are trying to sweep under the carpet all the crimes they perpetrated on other Hindus. In its place they are fabricating their own version of history of denial of the caste system in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.In the process they blame the Islamic and European invaders for India's problems.I do not know about the history of the Islamic kingdoms of India. But it is certain that the Muslims were in the Minority. Sanghis speak all the time about the massacre perpetrated by Tippu on the Hindus in his efforts to convert them. But even now the Muslim population in Mysore is hardly 22% which would not have been the case if Tippu had adopted violent methods for conversion. Similarly Akbar was a tolerant Muslim with many Pujaris and Hindu astrologers advising him.The Portuguese attacked Bijapur which was then under Muslim rule. Why does not our Sanghi brag about it? The Portuguese were merely 1600 in numbers. The rest of the Portuguese army consisted mainly of Hindus. Why dont the Sanghis mention such instances of the Hindus siding with the invaders?There were hardly 30000 English men in India and they ruled over 200 million Indians, most of them Hindus. How could they have done it without the connivance of the caste Hindus?The Sepoy Mutiny was put down with the help of the Hindu Gurkhas for which they were rewarded more than generously.Though the Jalianwala Bagh massacre was ordered by Gen Dyer they were the Hindu Gurkhas who went in and finished off the wounded with their Kukris.In fact the British empire depended mostly on Hindu employees in administering the country - Muslims were averse to working under the British for religious reasons.So History tells us that the caste Hindus aided the British in subduing the Indians and in keeping them subdued or we can say they hunted wholeheartedly with the hounds. Now their descendants the Sanghis are making up stories of how their ancestors ran with the hunted. In the process they are trying to hide the real history of India based on the barbarous exploitation of the low castes and the Dalits by the Brahmanical class and their pimps - yes in Kerala the Nairs were pimping off their women to the Brahmins until hardly a century ago.You have glorified RANI ABBAKKA CHOWTA and her exploits. Do you think that the Portuguese were alone in attacking the Rani? There were plenty of Hindus on the Portuguese side as weell.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbakka_Chowta narrates the History of the Rani. In that she is said to have taken refuge in a Mosque. She had also the Bijapur Sultan as well as the Zamorin on her side.She was finally defeated by the Portuguese with the aid of her treacherous husband - a Hindu.So my dear Dava Saran Sanghi please stop this nonsense of rewriting history to suit the Sanghi Agenda. The Sanghis have power in India not because the majority likes them but because of the incompetence of the congress and the oppositionOn Wed, 2 Sep 2020 at 14:40, Deva Sarran Samaroo devasamaroo@hotmail.com [TheBecoming] <TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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