Re: [www.keralites.net] GAYATRI MANTRA the Best Divine Prayer Hymn in the World

 

All Reverents,

Kindly do no initiate any holly war again over here.

We represent a plural society and have the right to say in favour or against any religious  discourses.  

For any reason, you don not agree with the subject lines, either kindly ignore it or put your comments with hurting others sentiments. 

With best regards.

ANILKUMAR
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On Friday, 29 July 2016 8:43 PM, "♣ ♣ ♣M.D. HEGDE♣ ♣ ♣ hegde_csl@yahoo.co.in [Keralites]" wrote:

AVOID GIVING A ' TWIST' TO THE SUBJECT.I NEVER MENTIONED THAT GAYATRI MANTRA IS SUPERIOR COMPARED TO NOVENA PRAYERS OF OTHER RELIGIONS.I JUST MENTIONED THAT THEY ARE SAME. Please read this 

Gayatri Mantra is sacred for all the Hindus and not only for R.S.S. It is like novena  or any kind prayer of other religions

Who added that ' Special' ?

  
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From: "Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [Keralites]"
To: Keralites@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 29 July 2016 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] GAYATRI MANTRA the Best Divine Prayer Hymn in the World

Dear Gurdeo,

Pl be specific in a debate instead of spraying it all over.

This discussion started with Hegde boasting among other things that "Dr. Howard Steingeril, an American scientist, collected Mantras, Hymns and invocations from all over the world and from all religions, tested their strength in his Physiology Laboratory. He concluded that the Hindus Vedic Gayatri Mantra is the most rewarding scientifically. That the Gayatri Mantra produced 110,000 sound waves per second." which implies that the Gayathri Manthra is superior to prayers of other religions.

In reply I pointed out that

1. Frequency of the sound we produce depends on the length of our vocal chords and not on the words we utter.

2. There is no evidence to prove that higher frequencies are in any way better or more beneficial than low frequencies.

3. We cannot produce sound or hear sound beyond a frequency of 20000HZ whereas Hegde boasts that Gayathri Manthra produces more than 5 times the audible frequency. 

Hegde also boasts that the Gayathri Manthra is beneficial to the society and imparts health, welath and wisdom to the society. In reply I pointed out that if it were so India would be healthiest, wealthiest and wisest society on earth with thousands of Olympic gold medals and Nobel prices under its belt.

Now Hegde has gone back on his original claim that Gayathri Manthra is special compared to the prayers of other religions and says (Quote)"We , Hindus believe  that Gayatri Mantra is Sacred, like Novena in other religions." which means that Gayathri Manthra is a prayer like any prayer. If he had said this at the outset I would not have contradicted him. It was his claim that the Gayathri Manthra is superior to the prayers of other religions that oppose.

Now Gurdeo has started talking about energy and so on which has next to nothing to do with the subject that Hegde started. If Gurdeo wants to discuss energy pl start another dialogue or discussion on energy whether physical or spiritual.

On 29 July 2016 at 06:53, Gurudeo Tularam a.tularam@griffith.edu.au [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Xavier

Pl define the meaning of sound first the talk about mantras
Also define energy then learn what mantras mean

Meaning of matra
Mann is mind is
Tran is to get rid of negative energy which is sound energy as well

On 29 Jul 2016 10:26 am, "Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup]" <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hegde,

For me Gayathri manthra is just another prayer or a string of sounds. What I objected to was your claim that Gayathri produces waves of 20000Hz which is nonsense from the Physics point of view. I also think that the other claims made by you on behalf of the Gayathri are unsustainable.

On 28 July 2016 at 17:14, ♣ ♣ ♣M.D. HEGDE♣ ♣ ♣ hegde_csl@yahoo.co.in [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Xaveir,

For you Gayatri Mantra can be nonsense, but for me it is Sacred.All the Hindus believe or may not believe  , but I believe.I don't comment on the mails posted by others and it is only you comment on the mails posted by others.Religion and politics is not my subject and most of my mails are related to health matters.In that also, we can see dispute between Allopathy, Ayurveda, Nature cure , Homeopoathy etc.Like religion, they will also not agree with each other.We can see hox mails in that category also viz Lemon is 10000 times more powerful than chemotherapy, Chellation Theray Therapy to avoid Heart Operation etc.Religion and Medical science are always contradictory

  
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From: "Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
To: Keralites@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2016 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] GAYATRI MANTRA the Best Divine Prayer Hymn in the World

Hegde,

What mandate do you have to use the term 'we Hindus' as if you represent all the Hindus of the world. I dont think even 10% of the Hindus of the world recite the Gayathri. You have also written that it is a personal thing. If so you should keep such nonsense personal. The moment you post it on a forum like ours you have to be ready to defend your stand with evidence i and not with sermons f criticized. It is you who started this discussion about the Gayathri nonsense

On 26 July 2016 at 14:59, ♣ ♣ ♣M.D. HEGDE♣ ♣ ♣ hegde_csl@yahoo.co.in [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Dear Mr.Mohd,

It is true that the name of that the name of The American Scientist is wrongly mentioned in this mail, but The Gayatri Mantra is sacred and We , Hindus don't need American Scientist to explain the significance of Gayatri Mantra.Gayatri Mantra is sacred for all the Hindus and not only for R.S.S. It is like novena  or any kind prayer of other religions.All of us believe on faith and no scientist can prove or  deny it.and in all the religions, you can see difference of opinions, within the same religion or by others of different community, viz, Christians vs Protestants, Shia vs Sunni.I am not a agent of R.S.S  or any political party.

Even in Medical science there are difference of opinion in Allopathy, Ayurveda, Homeopathy, Unani etc and they don't agree each other and work  on different principles.It is up to the people to see the good and bad in the religion and in medicines  and come to the conclusion on their own.That American Scientist never done in Gayatri Mantra, but it it is the belief of Hindus , which needs no research report by him.

If you write to Proffessor Narendra Nayak,who is my client, he will tell you that there is no God and everything on this earth is false and all the religions are false.Hence there is no end for all these comments.

  
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From: "mohdash53 mohdash53@yahoo.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
To: Keralites@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2016 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] GAYATRI MANTRA the Best Divine Prayer Hymn in the World

This Hegde's mail is always a mixture of true and false stuff. He has a hidden agenda to promote RSS ideology!

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From: "Thomas Mathew thomasmathew47@hotmail.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 25/07/2016 09:00 (GMT+05:30)
To: Keralites@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] GAYATRI MANTRA the Best Divine Prayer Hymn in the World

This message has ben in circulation for a few years and has been declared as a hoax even by many learned Hindus

T. M

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From: Keralites@yahoogroups.com <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of ♣ ♣ ♣M.D. HEGDE♣ ♣ ♣ hegde_csl@yahoo.co.in [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 8:24:46 PM
Subject: [www.keralites.net] GAYATRI MANTRA the Best Divine Prayer Hymn in the World

Gayatri Mantra the Best Divine Prayer Hymn in the World

SAID AMERICAN SCIENTISTDr.HOWARD STEINGERIL
Dr. Howard Steingeril, an American scientist, collected Mantras, Hymns and invocations from all over the world and from all religions, tested their strength in his Physiology Laboratory. He concluded that the Hindus Vedic Gayatri Mantra is the most rewarding scientifically. That the Gayatri Mantra produced 110,000 sound waves per second. This was the highest and found it to be the most powerful prayer hymn in the world. That the combination of sound and variation in the sound waves and its particular frequency is capable of developing specific spiritual potentialities.
The Hamburg university initiated this research into the efficacy of the Gayathri Mantra both on the mental and physical plane of CREATION. The GAYATHRI MANTRA is now being broadcast daily for 15 minutes from7 P.M. onwards over Radio Paramaribo, Surinam, South America for the past two years, and also in Amsterdam, Holland for the last six months.
Material and Physical Benefits:
·Bestows attractive personality.
·Develops the power of speech.
·Wards off poverty and insufficiency.
·Forms a protective halo around the person.
·Brilliance in the eyes is noticed.
·Wards off dire influences, unfavorable circumstances and dangerous situations.
·Activates internal centers in the body.
·The beeja mantras in the mantra activates nerve fibers and glands.
·The vibrations when chanting spread in the environment, attract similar positive atoms and return to its origin
·(the person who is chanting) filling him with this gathered positive energy.
·Regular chanting keeps the person and his family always in prosperity and plenty.
·The following traits develop: bravery, wellbeing, love, wealth, brilliance, stronger immunity, sharp intellect, perfect control over senses, devotion, retention, attracts life force, increases penance, farsightedness, awakening, improves productivity, makes one cheerful, idealistic, courageous, full of wisdom and removes selfishness and promotes service mindedness.
·The atmosphere around that person is calm.
·A person chanting Gayatri can never have a demeaned life. It is always a blissful life.
Subtle and Spiritual Benefits:
·Develops a sacred and focused psyche.
·Grants 8 forms of siddhis (powers) and 9 forms nidhis (attributes) and several subsets of these called riddhis.
·Allows one to positively influence the environment and to use divine energy for welfare of the world.
·Person develops Divine magnetism.
·Ignorance, infirmity and inadequacy are removed.
·Makes one a magnetic personality.
·Develops a feeling of peace, makes one aware of a new power that is working within them.
·Makes a person take interest in noble deeds.
·When a mistake is committed, makes one immediately recognize it, feels sorry for it takes corrective action not to repeat it.
·Develops intuition and gets an inkling of future events before they happen.
·Develops ability to read minds.
·Ability to influence people and plant good thoughts in them.
·Regular practice makes anything uttered by that person comes true and materializes itself.
·Sees Divine light in everything around.
·A person can transfer a part of their spiritual energy to others.
Om Sri Tat Sat
You can play it in the background while working on your computer. Western scientists' certification, as stated, adds special status too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDnamSM3Z3s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P26ZvKY--KY

 
  
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Re: [www.keralites.net] God has Commanded a Blessing for You!

 

Here comes another litany of nonsense this time on India's hertiage, this time from RC Menon.

He writes "When Englishmen came to India to trade, they found that the culture and civilization in India was far superior to theirs" To say that a lower culture and civilization conquered a higher civilization is as ridiculous as saying Somalia conquered Europe including the united forces of Germany, France, UK, Italy etc. RC also forgets that before the British came wave after wave of Muslims had come and got a walkover with arrows and spears on our civilization, culture and our technology of intergalactic planes.

India was then a house divided with caste permeating every sphere of life and the high caste had seldom any consideration for the low castes and others as proved by Manusmrithi, Arthasastra and other writings of the period. 

Sanskrit has been a dead language for over a thousand years because the elite class did not want the ordinary people to learn it. There were no schools then as RC seems to indicate. After all schools are made of brick and stone and even if the English or others destroyed the schools of ancient India, there would be remnants. But few if any such remanants have been recovered.  So this claim about schools in ancient India is as baseless as the claim about intergalactic planes which would have left remnants such as screws and rivets and as ridiculous as the claim about the Kurukshetra war which would have left remnants of arrows and spears and chariot components.

For your information there was no codification of laws in Sanskrit. Instead they had the Manusmrithi. When the Mugals and Muslims came they used Persian as the language of the court and for administrative purposes. The British merely replaced Persian with English under Macaulay. I do not know where RC got the info that Macaulay had great regards for Sanskrit. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Babington_Macaulay Macaulay was of the opinion that "It is, I believe, no exaggeration to say that all the historical information which has been collected from all the books written in the Sanskrit language is less valuable than what may be found in the most paltry abridgement used at preparatory schools in England".

Edison invented the phonograph in 1877 at least 18 years after Macaulay's death in 1859. So Macaulay must have returned from the Grave for Edison to call him up on the mobile and ask him to speak something to be recorded. It is 69 years since the British left India. Yet we have not been able to find a substitute for the legal system they established though there is no dearth of boasting and bragging about our great heritage and culture and the high standards of India's heritage and the Barbarian standards of our conquerors.

Nepal is as much a Hindu nation as India with the same culture and heritage as we have. Unlike us they have never been conquered or ruled by foreigners. So if their culture and civilization were as superb as RC boasts, then Nepal would be the most advanced nation on earth. But alas it is one of the poorest on earth which would not have been the case in all probability if they had been ruled by the British.

On 28 July 2016 at 18:48, ramachandra menon ramachandramenon@yahoo.com [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

When Englishmen came to India to trade, they found that the culture and civilization is India was far superior to theirs. They knew they cannot win over India unless they kill the pride of Indians of their great civilization. They found sanskrit played important part in the sense of the civilization of Indian and hence they thought unless they kill this language and introduce English, they cannot get any Indian to do clerical work for them. They changed the entire education system, removed sanskrit as a compulsory subject and made English as the medium of instruction. Indians who passed matriculation were given jobs as clerks and they found learning english as mure lucrative than learning sanskrit. Regional languages gained importance after independence. Sanskrit just fade away, it is a great language and mother of all languages. 

Macaulay who studied sanskrit and studied the vedas has written books on the great books of the orient. When Edison called him to record his voice in a gramaphone disc discovered by him, Macaulay recorded a sanskrit sloka which none of the audience could understand. Macaulay said it is the first sloka of Rig Veda which was the first book ever written by mankind. When the men in Europe were living the lives of savage aborigines, clad in animal skin and eating raw meat, Indian had developed a high advanced civilization. The stanza he read   "agni meele purohitham...." was the first sloka of Rig Veda. The audience were overwhelmed.

On Wednesday, 27 July 2016 5:41 PM, "♣ ♣ ♣M.D. HEGDE♣ ♣ ♣ hegde_csl@yahoo.co.in [Keralites]" wrote:

SANSKRIT IS THE PRIMARY SACRED LANGUAGE OF HINDUISM .

Sanskrit

Spoken language

Sanskrit is the primary sacred language of Hinduism, a philosophical language in Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism, and a literary language that was in use as a lingua franca in Greater India. Wikipedia

Language family: Indo-European languages, Indo-Aryan languages, Indo-Iranian languages

Writing system: Brahmi script

Official language in: Uttarakhand

Early forms: Vedic Sanskrit

Region: Greater India

Languages: Hindi, Kannada

Script: Devanagari

  
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From: "Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [Keralites]"
To: Keralites@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2016 5:18 AM
Subject: [www.keralites.net] Re: [Keralites] God has Commanded a Blessing for You!

I did not say that Sanskrit is without merit. At one time we used swords and daggers for fighting and bullock carts and horse carriages for travel and styluses for writing on palm leaves etc. They had their relevance at that time. It is the same with these dead languages. They served their purposes very well at their time. But now we do not need them as we have more efficient living languages at our disposal. By trying to revive Sanskrit you are trying to bring back the bullock cart age just because it is part of our ancestry. 

Gurdeo advises me to learn Sanskrit. I would rather learn web design or C+ rather than learn Sanskrit or even malayalam.

On 26 July 2016 at 18:55, Kuppusamy kuppus_02@yahoo.com [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

There you are at again, Xaviour ! So Latin and/or any other language is as bad as Sanskrit ? All along you have been criticising Sanskrit without any merit, and now you are including many more languages to your critical List. No wonder why people here get annoyed with you and Sanjiv !! 

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From: "Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
To: Keralites <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You! 

They have chairs not only for Sanskrith but also for Latin and other languages. That does not mean anything

On 26 July 2016 at 08:11, Kuppusamy kuppus_02@yahoo.com [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Xaviour,

True, in ancient days the Brahmins kept Sanskrit among themselves, because that assumed others cant learn it or others have nothing to do with it. But these days people know, it's crystal clear that Sanskrit has wealth of information encompassing of every facets of Human life ! And the study of Sanskrit is in educational institution, especially in higher edn institution are recommended not by Brahmins alone, even by non-brahmins. Many Foreign universities have understood this and have Sanskrit chair !!

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From: "Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
To: Keralites <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!

Kuppuswamy,

Answers can be logical or illogical. But I do not understand how questions can be logical or illogical. Your ancestors made sure that they alone could access knowledge by keeping Sanskrit out of reach of the common people. Now that the common people have come into their own people like Gurdeo wants everyone to learn Sanskrit which is now dead and almost useless except for the Sanghis.

On 24 July 2016 at 19:54, Kuppusamy kuppus_02@yahoo.com [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

No wonder your questions scared many educated and knowledgeable people and they went unanswered !!! Perhaps they thought it is waste of time and energy to educate you and you found solace in atheism which is simple to all !!! Just question anything and everything, whether logical or illogical......

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From: "sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
To: Keralites <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!

How you thought your following posting answers any of my questions ?

just give me the answers directly one by one.  In case you have forgotten, following are the questions.  Put your answer below every question if you can-

1. If vedas are not man made, can you tell the procedure and process by which they came into existence and how sanskrit evolved in space ?

2. Can you explain as to why Vedas contain so called knowledge only to the extent found out by science by other means ?  If it is knowledge from god, why god cannot give advanced knowledge which science has not found so far - like dark matter and dark energy ? 

3. Noble prize is given to any one who contributes to any field of science which was hitherto unknown to man.  Can any vedic scholar get Noble prize based on his study of Vedas by contributing knowledge unknown to humans so far, validated by scientific methods. 

4. Can you prove god if you think he /she/ it has revealed Vedas.  

5. Can you tell when this revelation was done ?

If it was done at zero hour - who was there to receive this knowledge at that time revealed by god except Hydrogen and Helium ? and how it got transmitted to earth after 13 billion years ? How it was preserved during this period ?

Sanjeev

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From: "Kuppusamy kuppus_02@yahoo.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
To: Keralites <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 24 July 2016 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!

Mr Sanjiv,

Philosophy is a creation of a mind and consciousness and can not, in most cases, explained with any kind of reasoning. One has to feel it to understand it. 

Science is the result of a thing/incident, of what happened, how happened and why happened based out of research and studies.  So they have ample evidence to understand . Many eminent scientists have become good philosophers in their later years ! 

Philosophy needs high intellectual thinking to understand and Science need logical mind/thinking to understand. 

I really wonder how your questions went unanswered...

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From: "sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
To: Keralites <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!

Mr. Kuppusamy,

My father is a PhD in philosophy and we have private library of thousands of books on the subjects mentioned by you.  I started reading these books at the age of five and at the age of 13 I became atheist because my father or his philosopher friends, professors etc. could not give satisfactory answers to my questions.  On the other hand science books and books by prominent scientists on scientific temper etc. put forwarded a completely opposing case which no one could defeat.  I have read books extensively, on the subjects mentioned by you.  I could not find any answers.And I have discussed these questions with dozens and dozens of professors and scholars in these fields - who had devoted their lives to the subject and had studied literally several thousands of books each. Even they could not think of any answers.  With decades of search, now I am convinced that these questions have no answers and the case put forward by its advocates is very hollow based on flimsy grounds.

Now tell me- are there any scholar who has studied these books or any other books or have independent thinking ability and can give satisfactory answer ?

If not, why should we take that arguments put forward by people like you as valid ?   Either answer the questions or accept the argument put forward by me.

Sanjeev

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From: "Kuppusamy kuppus_02@yahoo.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
To: Keralites <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 22 July 2016 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!

As i said before, pl read books written by great Hindu Scholars/Thinkers/Philosophers and get the answers yourself. I am providing only incidents with its availability to show the greatness of Hindu Scripts and it's up to you look up for answers where they are available.  It's beyond my ability to explain to  you all, about Hinduism, Vedas, etc.... 

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From: "sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
To: Keralites <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!

Tell me the bottom line.  Can you answer the questions ?  Or there are no scholars who have studied your books, scriptures but simply cannot answer them.  

Sanjeev

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From: "Kuppusamy kuppus_02@yahoo.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
To: Keralites <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2016 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!

To the so called Rationalists like Sanjiv, Xaviour 

Your questions may appear logical, but lack any sense ! I too can ask such logical questions why man was born with 2 eyes only ? Why they are placed in the face instead of chest or any other part !!  Does any one have answers for that ? 

If you could not appreciate or understand  Hinduism, Vedas and Vedic Wisdom, that is okay with all of us.... but such questions from you people lead to nowhere.....   There are many books in the market written by many scholars of Hinduism and you must read them instead of tuning your mind into intellectual biases against Hinduism, Vedas and Vedic Wisdom ! 

When you read those books such questions never ever will come to your mind.  But i am sure it will never happen with you people and you will continue to rant..... Go ahead.....

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From: "sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
To: Keralites <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!

To People like Kuppusamy,

1. If vedas are not man made, can you tell the procedure and process by which they came into existence and how sanskrit evolved in space ?

2. Can you explain as to why Vedas contain so called knowledge only to the extent found out by science by other means ?  If it is knowledge from god, why god cannot give advanced knowledge which science has not found so far - like dark matter and dark energy ? 

3. Noble prize is given to any one who contributes to any field of science which was hitherto unknown to man.  Can any vedic scholar get Noble prize based on his study of Vedas by contributing knowledge unknown to humans so far, validated by scientific methods. 

4. Can you prove god if you think he /she/ it has revealed Vedas.  

5. Can you tell when this revelation was done ? If it was done at zero hour - who was there to receive this knowledge at that time revealed by god except Hydrogen and Helium ? and how it got transmitted to earth after 13 billion years ? How it was preserved during this period ?

Sanjeev

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From: "Kuppusamy kuppus_02@yahoo.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
To: Keralites <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2016 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!

To Xaviour like people,

Vedas are not man made and are full of knowledge and wisdom. There is no worship of any God in them. They exist for many yugas in an un-written or oral form. It was later came into written form by many Great Rishis in the language known as Sanskrit also known as language of God ! 

The interpretation of Vedas, in later years,  got classified into 4, namely Rig, Yajur, Sama and Atharvana. All the 4 put forth the knowledge and wisdom in an appropriate way not crossing the lines with each other. 

Even today there are sects among people following one of the 4 above as their guide to life.

It was again later people with limited knowledge in Sanskrit defined Vedas in their own way causing confusion and followers of each of the 4 above also trumpeting theirs is superior to other, which is obvious to any human society. This confusion did not denigrate the Vedas and they stood the test of times till today !

They are mother to so many outcomes like Vedic Science, Universal Dharma, Hindu way of life, etc...

Science is born out of knowledge and wisdom. Thus Hindu Vedas for the basis of Vedic Science and which lead to many discoveries and beliefs both by the ancient hindus and non-hindus(later). Vedic people knew world is round; gravitation and laws of Physical sciences existed before it was defined by the modern  science ! Only thing was that they practised their knowledge and handed down the same to next generations and so on....  they did not have the modern scientific instruments to prove hardcore, their scientific knowledge and discoveries and also did not put them in written form. They came later when the modern science started to take shape on the knowledge and wisdom gained from Vedic Science. 

These days there are non-hindus, hindu haters who could not digest the fact that vedic science has finally culminated into modern science and criticise the Vedas, Hinduism, Hindus. And they call it Rationalism !!!! Yes, you people too have space and freedom in this world  like us !! 

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From: "Gurudeo Tularam a.tularam@griffith.edu.au [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
To: Keralites <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!

Does not mean that bible is everywhere means it is the only book to follow or to believe at all, England used to own the world once too, but only by force there is a different world now! I am glad to say, most of europe tried to own the world but many countries did not and by gaining wealth of others some became rich and had an agenda as well so money drove what you see today regarding bible translations, but what you dont know is that the worlds best minds have studied the work in the vedas by themselves, and this is a to be seen as something of importance! to all Indians; than now world is changing and focus of learning is changing and even Indians have learned to steal from others and this much change if we are to show the world once again how peaceful we are and how we can gain knowledge and teach others as well only if they want to .....otherwise see France Belgium, England bombings, America, Bangladesh and not to mention middle east and they was we as humans a going about our business must change!!

I can translate any mantras you want please send them to me; in indian way of learning a horse must be thirsty to drink and very very thirsty before we teach them anything at all of this paramatmic knowledge see Katha Upanishad for this; we dont go around changing people at all, we would love people to learn about Manodharma; interesting try and translate this; and Human, comes from the word "Hanuman"; from the animal kingdom come out humans as a higher being of animals, see this and many others are vedic knowledge;

sorry I cannot pass on so much that I know in one day as it has taken me my lifetime to learn thus far and still going;
kindest regards

regards

Panditji

Dr Gurudeo Anand Tularam - Senior Lecturer in Mathematics/Statistics Griffith Sciences -  [ENV]: Griffith University, Nathan Campus Queensland, 4111, Australia, Tel: 617 37353522: http://www.griffith.edu.au/environment-planning-architecture/griffith-school-environment/staff/dr-anand-tularam:Senior Researcher: EFRI Institute: http://www.griffith.edu.au/environment-planning-architecture/environmental-futures-research-institute/news-events/news/dr-gurudeo-anand-tularamTularam G. A. and Hassan. O. M. (2016) https://www.routledge.com/Groundwater-Assessment-Modeling-and-Management/Thangarajan-Singh/p/book/9781498742849 (CRC - Taylor and Francis Press)Reza, R, Tularam, GA Li, B (forthcoming), 'An investigation into the interdependence of global water indices: A VAR analysis' Applied Economics. DOI:10.1080/00036846.2016.1205725Tularam. G. A. and Reza R. (2016). Water Exchange Traded Funds: A Study on Idiosyncratic Risk using Markov Switching Analysis. Cogent Economics Finance: 4(1), 1-12. Taylor Francis: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23322039.2016.1139437#.V0YYZYR96WgMaddali, V; Tularam, GA; Glynn, Patrick, G. (2015). Economic and time sensitive issues surrounding CCS – A policy analysis: A* - Journal of  Environmental Science Technology (AMERICAN CHEMICAL SOCIETY): CITATION in NATURE: http://www.nature.com/articles/nenergy201511http://pubs.acs.org/action/doSearch?text1=tularam=&field1=AllField  http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.est.5b00839Roca, E., Tularam, G. A., and Reza, R. (2015). Fundamentals of investment profitability in the global water industry. In. Journal of Water 9(4). http://www.inderscience.com/offer.php?id=72155Tularam G.A. (2015). Water Security Problems in Asia and Longer Term Implications for Australia Springer http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-12394-3_7Reza, R, Tularam, GA Li, B 2015, 'An investigation into the interdependence of global water indices: A VAR analysis', paper presented in UCOWR Conference on 16-18 June, Las Vegas, USA: http://www.ucowr.org/files/2015%20Conference/2015_UCOWR_Conference_Proceedings_Final.pdf http://www.ucowr.org/files/2015%20Conference/2015_UCOWR__Conference_Final_Program_05_27_15.pdfNEW BOOK: TULARAM, G A (2016). ESSENTIALS OF APPLIED MATHEMATICS FOR THE SCIENCES: WILEY: ISBN: 9781119922629 

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

If everyone who wants to understand the Vedas have to learn Sanskrit first then the Vedas will remain a closed book to 99.9999999999999% of mankind. So if you want to promote the Vedas do something to make it accessible to the brute majority who do not know Sanskrit. The Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek. But now it is available in almost every written language and that is one of reasons for Christianity's success. 

On 20 July 2016 at 03:58, Gurudeo Tularam a.tularam@griffith.edu.au [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

The god that you think is always personal that is not at all what Paramatmaa is at all so please clarify the issue of meaning of god first before delve into such discussions,

what causes cancer is a defect in your body, who cures cancer which we have not have done as yet at all, by the way, is us as we have learned through earlier learing that the cures of many ailments are within this universe, and we have to find them and science is doing just that nothing else; this started in all cultures but in India it was a part of the vedas which means by the way not god but knowledge, please learn sanskrit first before commenting on the work on the vedas please!!!

regards

Dr Gurudeo Anand Tularam - Senior Lecturer in Mathematics/Statistics Griffith Sciences - [ENV]: Griffith University, Nathan Campus Queensland, 4111, Australia, Tel: 617 37353522: http://www.griffith.edu.au/environment-planning-architecture/griffith-school-environment/staff/dr-anand-tularam:Senior Researcher: EFRI Institute: http://www.griffith.edu.au/environment-planning-architecture/environmental-futures-research-institute/news-events/news/dr-gurudeo-anand-tularamTularam G. A. and Hassan. O. M. (2016) https://www.routledge.com/Groundwater-Assessment-Modeling-and-Management/Thangarajan-Singh/p/book/9781498742849 (CRC - Taylor and Francis Press)Reza, R, Tularam, GA Li, B (forthcoming), 'An investigation into the interdependence of global water indices: A VAR analysis' Applied Economics. DOI:10.1080/00036846.2016.1205725Tularam. G. A. and Reza R. (2016). Water Exchange Traded Funds: A Study on Idiosyncratic Risk using Markov Switching Analysis. Cogent Economics Finance: 4(1), 1-12. Taylor Francis: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23322039.2016.1139437#.V0YYZYR96WgMaddali, V; Tularam, GA; Glynn, Patrick, G. (2015). Economic and time sensitive issues surrounding CCS – A policy analysis: A* - Journal of  Environmental Science Technology (AMERICAN CHEMICAL SOCIETY): CITATION in NATURE: http://www.nature.com/articles/nenergy201511http://pubs.acs.org/action/doSearch?text1=tularam=&field1=AllField  http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.est.5b00839Roca, E., Tularam, G. A., and Reza, R. (2015). Fundamentals of investment profitability in the global water industry. In. Journal of Water 9(4). http://www.inderscience.com/offer.php?id=72155Tularam G.A. (2015). Water Security Problems in Asia and Longer Term Implications for Australia Springer http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-12394-3_7Reza, R, Tularam, GA Li, B 2015, 'An investigation into the interdependence of global water indices: A VAR analysis', paper presented in UCOWR Conference on 16-18 June, Las Vegas, USA: http://www.ucowr.org/files/2015%20Conference/2015_UCOWR_Conference_Proceedings_Final.pdf http://www.ucowr.org/files/2015%20Conference/2015_UCOWR__Conference_Final_Program_05_27_15.pdf NEW BOOK: TULARAM, G A (2016). ESSENTIALS OF APPLIED MATHEMATICS FOR THE SCIENCES: WILEY: ISBN: 9781119922629  

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 8:23 AM, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

What exactly do you mean by god's blessings?

Suppose we get cancer and we are cured of it, is it god's blessing? After all it is god himself that caused the cancer.

It is the same with other things. God creates all kinds of problems and some of them are resolved and we thank god for them neglecting the fact that there are many problem that are not solved unless by death.

Some of my most favorite quotes vis-a-vis religion are

1. Our remedies oft in ourselves do lie, Which we ascribe to Heaven." Shakespeare (All's Well That Ends Well (I, i, 231-232))
2. "All superstition is much the same, whether it be that of astrology, dreams, omens, retributive judgment or the like, in all of which the deluded believers observe events which are fulfilled, but neglect and pass over their failure, though it be much more common." Francis Bacon

• "To become a popular religion, it is only necessary for a superstition to enslave a philosophy. Many people believe that they are attracted by God or by Nature, when they are only repelled by man." William Ralph Inge
• "Ignorance is the soil in which belief in miracles grows and superstition is the religion of feeble minds." Edmund Burke
• ​"Fear is the main source of superstition and one of the main sources of cruelty"  - Bertrand Russell
• ​"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.;      Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

On 20 July 2016 at 03:22, Peter Hilder <philder1@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

God Has Commanded a Blessing for You! _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ What God has planned for you is much bigger than anything you've ever dreamed. If God were to show you right now where He is taking you – the favour, the promotion, the influence – it would boggle your mind. You may think, I am not the most qualified, I don't have the personality or the talent. That's okay. It is going to happen because of God's commanded blessing on your life.  

HERE'S THE WHOLE KEY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEEK THE BLESSING. SEEK GOD, AND THE BLESSING WILL SEEK AFTER YOU. THIS IS WHERE WE MISS IT. YOU CAN REST IN PEACE, IN SYNC WITH GOD, HONOURING HIM, THE RIGHT PEOPLE WILL FIND YOU, THE RIGHT GODLY OPPORTUNITIES WILL FIND YOU.  

In Proverbs it says, 'The wealth of the ungodly will eventually find its way into the hands of the righteous for whom it has been laid up for.' GOD HAS ALREADY LAID UP FOR YOU EVERYTHING TO FULFILL YOUR DESTINY         Psalm 51:10 'Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me.'   Sometimes the process of life can leave us defiled. But you should constantly desire a 'clean heart' and a 'right spirit'. This is something that we can ask God to do for you.  

Ask God to create something new in you. Just when you think you have your whole life figured out, God will come along and change everything. You will know that this change is from God if it is bigger than you. * PRAYER: Lord, I invite You to come right now and work within my heart and spirit. Remove those things that do not please You and renew my heart and spirit now I pray. Amen. __________________________________________________________________________________________________ WHEN IS THIS BLESSING GOING TO HAPPEN? AT THE EXACT RIGHT TIME. IF IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET, DON'T GET DISCOURAGED. JUST BE FAITHFUL RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE AND KEEP LIVING WITH THE POSITIVE ATTITUDE THAT SOMETHING GOOD FOR YOU IS COMING YOUR WAY!.   

God has commanded it!    

Peter ALAN 'Peter'
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Xavier William
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