Dear Pramod & Prasad,
By quoting one or two verses from a Book with 31,103 verses, you cannot prove anything.
I can help you if you have a specific question about any particular verse. But before that I would like to know what your worldview is !
Because we should have a common ground to start with.
The Caption of your note was " Why we do need a God?"
Yet, in your letter you quoted some verses from the Bible only.
There are many major religions in this world who believe in different gods. And mostly religions are based on faith.
Even though, True Christianity is not a religion, but a way of life with the Faith in the Almighty God who has been revealed through the Bible, for argument sake we will consider it as a religion. What is your point? Do you believe in a God at all? Don't you believe in a God who is the creator and sustainer of the whole Universe?
Or do you have a problem only with the God of the Bible?
Or do you believe in the theory of Evolution, put forward by Charles Darvin, which is being proved wrong daily by the new scientific inventions?.
Clarify your worldview and ask specific questions.
I will not be angry or use bad language, if you can make senses.
Thanks for your patience.
With Regards,
Y. Jacob
P.S. Dear Promod, for your information, the believers of Islam does not have an issue with Christians about who the Son of God is, between Jesus and Mohamed.
(Quran teaches that Both Jesus and Mohamed are prophets of God. They do not believe that there is a son for Allah.)
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:32 PM, pramodh shivram
<pramodh.shiv@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All...
Prasad has just quoted verses from the holy bible...maybe the old testament.
But whatever said and done, word of God is the word of God and the holy book is still the holy book no matter old or new testament.
We all would appreciate if you could just clarify the verses he had mentioned and enlighten those who are not very familiar with bible, than lashing at him for writing such verses.
And also please do understand that...
The concept of religion and God was brought by our own people. There were people walking the face of this earth even before religions or for that matter primitive beings.
Agreed that good lord Jesus did die for the humans. But what has it really acheived.Has the so called people changed themselves as per his teachings...rather they are at their peak of ruins. Being a christian and a firm follower of Christ, can you boldly state that you have followed the teachings of bible? nor can any christian state this???
And finally, There has always been a clash between Islam and christianity as
to Muhammed or Jesus is the son of God...?
There have been may books written by Islam scholars on this.Has there been any thought given to these by fellow christians.
Or have many christians have read these claims and tried to understand the truth?
Who told you that you are a christian or brought you up as a christian...If you believe in your parents who inturn believes in the priest who gives sermons and these priests who believes in their higher levels...What truth does it hold really??The same goes for all the religions...
I think you should be open to all religions, accept everyone as your fellowbeing, read all scriptures , question your own faith and belief and finally take a call on what is true and what is not. By doin this, you will understand your faith and belief, you will not get angry or upset when someone says bad about your religion rather you would be in a better position to explain to him of his follies.This is just an opinion and not meant to hurt anyones personal feelings.
thanks and regards
pramodh
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Christo Nenmaani
<christojn@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. John & Mr. Binil,
Good Day to you....
Myself Christo...hope u have read my reply to for Mr. Prasad...there I mentioned that I didn't read Prasad's entire message coz his intention was clear from 1st two lines & I didn't have time to read his useless & baseless things.....so I left it....& from what I read I understood bit about him & his level of thinking so I replied him in very simple language that too with the example that was from the Holy Book in which he believe in....but he again responded to that....& I felt that if I again reply to it, it will be like I doubt my faith & I m trying to prove that my faith is true.....as said in BIBLE, it's ur faith that makes u great not others....so I want u both to be strong enough in ur faith & live accordingly rather than commenting & wasting time behind someone like Prasad......& our religion teach us to show the right path to those who lost it or who is unaware of it & I m sure that those who comes to know about it, will love it, respect it, accept it & few may even convert themselves to it too....But when I tried to explain him & I got his reply I really felt bad. It because what I said or he asked but I tried to use some sayings from the HOLY BOOK in which He believe in....I felt that using those words to explain someone like him is insulting that HOLY BOOK....so I stopped replying to him....& both of u please remember 1 thing, I didn't read what Mr. Binil wrote it would be something to open to eyes of Mr. Prasad...U CAN WAKE ONLY THE ONE WHO IS SLEEPING BUT NOT THE ONE WHO IS PRETENDING TO BE SLEEPING (URANGUNAVANNE UNARTHAAN KAZHIYUM, URAKAM NADIKYUNAVANNE UNARTHAAN KAZHIYILLA).....hope both of u understood....
& 1 suggestion to Mr. John for u mentioned Mr. Prasad as pra SAD is SADDIST.....I m sorry on behalf of Mr. Prasad for whatever he told but if you also use such words indirectly to point him WHAT DIFFERENCE IS THERE BETWEEN U & HIM....our religion teaches us to love & respect all religion & all individual....I wish & pray that atleast Mr. Prasad can learn to love & respect others, their faith, their belief, etc.....
& if u both want to show or bring Mr. Prasad to right path it's not by commenting on what he said, but through our prayers.... We all can pray for him so that the LORD show him the right path...this is the only thing we can do for him...& this is the only way he will change....
Also, let me thank Mr. Prasad for he is a reason My LORD gifted me someone very important, I got one true friend/sister from this Keralities Group just because I commented on what he said....MR. PRASAD IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE, BELIEVE.....as simple as that....EVEN THE HAIRS ON YOUR HEAD ARE COUNTED....now don't ask me how much is that & even if u ask, there is no wonder because your understanding level is only that much....Mr. Prasad, everything is planned, not by me, by MY LORD by EVERYBODY's LORD....let ur time come & even you will change, even u will understand.....
May the ALMIGHTY LORD BLESS MR. JOHN & MR. BINIL & BOTH OF THEIR FAMILIES & MR. PRASAD TOO & SHOW HIM THE RIGHT PATH....
Sent from my iPhone
Do you need God?
Few quotes from Old Testament of Bible which is the story of Israelites who are selected by the Supreme Power to set an example to all Human beings. Old testament speaks about the holy and unholy things happened in relation to Isralites and gentiles around them. But Jesus Christ came to this world for the redemption of all people from their SINS , the people ever lived and going to live in this world till the Kingdom of God is established in this earth. The New Testament reveal about the Love of God to Man. God the Father so loved the people so that He has given His Begotten Son to us, by His Blood ( His Sacrifice) we are set free from Sins, for those who believe in Him. That is Gods Justice or righteousness. Think about this do you sacrifice your son for your enemy? How you call this Loving Father, a terrorist. One thing keep in your mind, we are just a creature, He is the Creator of this whole universe. We will be judged according our deeds and words. You have the choice to Believe or not, you have no choice to insult any bodys belief. Why you cannot understand spirituality, only because you are spiritually deaf, blind and dumb. So do not blame something if you do not understand. You can never see the Sun with a powerful torch, unless and until it shines by itself. Since you have BIBLE with you, read the following from Old testament itself, you will realize why you do not understand word of God.
Psalms{92:5} O LORD, how great are thy works! [and] thy thoughts are very deep. {92:6} A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.
For people like you, you have no right to take His Word in your mouth.
Psalms:{50:16} But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or [that] thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?
What God will do such people ?
Psalms{50:22} Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear [you] in pieces, and [there be] none to deliver.
God who revealed Himself in the Bible is a Holy, Lovable and Righteous God. So He will not compromise on SINS, He is righteous God, hence He has to judge and punish and He is Lovable God and So He give all Men the Grace of Salvation who believe in His Son. Ask the Living God (whoever He is) to reveal the TRUTH to you and The TRUTH shall set you free from the Bondages of ignorance and Sin.
Look at this instance: If somebody split your name Prasad as Pra SAD= SADDIST, is it true?. The same way you are misquoting some statement from the Bible out of Context and interpreting maliciously in a wrong way so as to reflect your dirty thoughts of Evil. I am giving you just as an example. Bible says Wisdom of Men is foolery in front of God. God is Almighty, Omnipresent and All Knowing. He reigns whole universe and He does not anybodys support for His Kingdom.
Last but least, Bible says Our God is Heavenly Father, ONLY children can address in this way. For every one God is God, for Christians God is Heavenly Father. That is the Uniqueness and Right of True Christians through Our Lord Jesus Christ. HIS name be Glorified. He is King of King and God of god. He is the answer to all questions in this world and Eternity. HE IS COMING SOON AS THE JUDGE AND THE KING.
Those who have ears, let them listen.
johnmcherian@indiatimes.com
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From: Prasad N <prasad_n83@yahoo.co.in>
Date: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:11 PM
Subject: [www.keralites.net] Re: Do you need God?
To: Keralites <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Hi,
Here are some comments from Bible. After reading Bible i felt that terrorists are better than the god mentioned in bible.Is this book is called as Holy Book?
GOD SAID For this time I will ascend all my plagues on you and your servant and your people, so that you may know that there is no one like me in the earth (Exodus 9- 14)
God said For if by now I had put forth my hand and struck you and your servants and your people with pestilence, you would then have been cut off from the earth (Exodus 9 15 )
The God said: And all the first born in the land of Egypt shall die, from the first born of the pharaoh who sits on his throne, even to the first born of the slave girl who is behind the millstones; all the first born of the cattle as well. ( Exodus 11-5 )
And when Israel saw the great power which the lord had used against the Egyptians, the people feared the lord and they believed in the lord and in his servant Moses ( Exodus 14-31 )
God said: you shall not worship them or serve them; for I , the lord your god, am a jealous god, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate me (Exodus 20 5)
The god said; and if a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the males do (Exodus 21 -7 )
If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand he shall be punished. If, however, he (slave) survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken, for he is his property (Exodus 21-20,21)
He who sacrifices to any god, other than to the lord alone, shall be utterly destroyed (exodus 22-20)
You shall not worship their gods, nor serve them, nor do according to their deeds; but you shall utterly overthrow them, and break their sacred pillars in pieces. But if you shall serve the lord your god and he will bless your bread and your water; and I will remove sickness from your midst (exodus 23 -24,25)
Watch yourself that you make no covenant with the inhabitants of the land into which you are going, lest it become a snare in your midst. Rather, you are to tear down their altars and smash their sacred pillars and cut down their asherims ( exodus 34- 12,13)
While the meat was still between their teeth, before it was chewed, the anger of the lord was kindled against the people, and the lord struck the people with a very severe plague (Numbers 11-33)
The anger of the lord burned against them and he departed. But when the cloud had withdrawn from over the tent, behold, Miriam was leprous, as white as snow. As Aaron turned toward Miriam, behold she was leprous ? (Numbers 12- 9,10)
And the lord said to Moses, how long will this people spurn me? And how long will they not believe in me despite all the signs which I have performed in their midst ? I will smite them with pestilence and disposes them ( Number 14 11,12)
Then you shall destroy out all the inhabitants of the land before you and destroy all their figured stones and destroy and their molten images and demolish all their high places; and you shall take possession of the land and live in it, for I have given the land to you to possess it ? (Number 33-52)
The people who arearound you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end. You shall not yield to him or listen to him and your eyes shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. But you shall surely kill him your hand shall be first against him to put him to death and afterwards the hand of all the people. So you shall stone him to death because he has sought to seduce you from the lord your god who brought you out from the land if Egypt ( Deuteronomy 13 -7-9)
If two men , a man and his country man, are struggling together and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not pity ( Bible: Deuteronomy 25-11)
THE GOD SAID (in bible), behold, I will rise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes, and give them to your companion, and he shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel and under the sun ((2 Samuel 12- 11,12)
Thus says the lord:, because you have let go out of your hand the man whom I (the god) devoted to destruction, therefore your life shall go for his life and your people for his people (1 Kings 20 -42)
Thus says the lord, in the place where the dogs licked up the blood of Naboth the dogs shall lick up your blood, even yours (1 kings 21 -19- Bible)
And it came about at the beginning of their living there, that they did not fear the lord; therefore the lord sent lions among them which killed some of them (Bible 2 kings 17 25).
Then it happened the angel of the lord went out and struck 1, 85,000 in the camp of Assyrians and when men rose early in the morning, behold all of them are dead ( 2 kings 19 - 35)
The god said my anger will be directed to their destruction (Bible: Isaiah 10 -25)
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