Tuesday, 18 June 2013

Re: [www.keralites.net] Make democracy more beneficial to the country

 

Dear GN sir,
as usual plain simple but straight to the facts and facts only.
iam afraid any takers for your good /parctical worth trying suggetion. One thing is sure that if your plan is implimented, iam sure there will be more accountability. Corruption can get anihilated in the course of time and there will good and SPEEDY development. Let us strive and pray for this
Rgds
bala  

From: Gangadharan Nair N <ng.puthoor@gmail.com>
To: Keralites <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 18 June 2013 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] Make democracy more beneficial to the country
 
Yes you are RIGHT Mr. Ashish. We do NOT need states, instead make 543 Parliamentary Constituencies as Districts having an average population of (1210 million devided by 543) 2.22 million and let our Member of Parliament be the Governor of that District and Govern the district with the help of District Collector. For your information there are 104 countries in the world which do not have even 2 million population even then majority of them are financially well off and above world average. As far as Central Government is concerned choose the ministry from Rajya Sabha Members. Today we are collecting around 1,500,000 crore rupees as tax. Let the Government distribute 1,000 crores to each for MPs for running the show in the districts and with the balance of  957,000 crores the Central Government can make all developments in the country. The Panchayath Raaj & the State Politics are waste of public money. Every year we are draining out in the gutter an amount equal to 1,500,000 Crores without any remarkable developments. Only development is in corruption. The first corruption noted in the country was JEEP SCANDAL, that too the them High Commissioner to London bought 2,000 JEEPS fpr military purposes at a cost of Rs. 8o Lakhs (Rs. 4,000/ per jeep) without getting the official sanction from the Cabinet. That gentleman used his speacial powers wrested with High Commissioners and not for commission. Whether he had made money in that trade is still a mystery. But it was deffinitely an offence to purchase something without the Cabinet sanction. Today the volume of corruption is in Trillions of rupees and the leaders are roaming around freely. By makeing every Parliamentary constituency a District and being run by a Didtrict Governor, the nation will save a lot of money and lots of development can be taken place. Aam Aadmi is not bothered whether Narendra Modi or Rahul Gandhi becomes the PM. They want a good & effective Governance from the leaders. The Nation should progress in all fields. We the nation with 20% of world population can LEAD the nations in the world if we have a RIGHT leader at the top. For that deffinitely Rahul Gandhi is NOT the bet.

Gangadharan Nair
On 17 June 2013 20:28, Ahishhasmukhlal Shah <ashish_shah@lntecc.com> wrote:
 
I think that the state level parties should be banned from contesting elections in India. They are the real problematic parties who just have handful of members and then blackmail the other National level parties. It is ok that the state level parties can fight the state election but not the National Election. We can very well see the result today. Mamta, Nitish, Mulayam, Navin Patnaik, Jayalalitha they have handful of MPs and then they are bargaining with the centre. We can very well see that Congress earlier showered special status to Bihar because they were aware that once Modi Comes Nitish will break and at that time Nitish will support Congress. Recently they showered the same to Orissa. If Congress is not fearing Narendra Modi then why suddenly after the announcement of Modi they have started giving portfolios to their Senior Management to take care of the states and they have been removed from the Ministers. If Narendra Modi is not favouring Minorities what Congress is doing. During assassination of Indira Gandhi more Sikhs were killed then the number of Muslims killed in Godhra Carnage. If Nitish was so much worried about secularism why he did not resign from the post of Railway Minister at the time of Godhra Carnage. Why he did not leave NDA at that time and just when  he finds better chances with Congress. Why he was supporting NDA who had Ram temple on their agenda. If Congress will come to power then we have to blame ourselves because it will prove that we want tainted ministers and ministers who are corrupt. The corruption under the reign of UPA is second term has touched the sky. Why we have a mindset that only Congress can rule us. I do not have problem with Congress but the problem is with Nehru Dynasty. What Mr. Varkey has said below is correct that can't we find a person capable enough to handle this country other than Nehru Dynasty.
 
There was chance of Mr. Pranab Mukherjee but what Congress did swiftly. They made him the President of India. In this way they have targeted three different agenda with one stone. First they removed the person who can become an hindrance in Rahul becoming the President. (2) They demoralized the value of Mamta in West Bengal (3) They calmed the anger which the people of Bengal had over Congress when Mamta withdraw the support from UPA.
 
We also should not forget that Congress is also secular. Why it did not support APJ Abdul Kalam in the reelection of President. BJP or NDA supported him. Why at that time those people calling BJP a secular front were silent. BJP was supporting a person who was Muslim and who was the most highly educted person. But Congress was not willing APJ Abdul Kalam because he was the person who had objected in Ms. Sonia Gandhi becoming the Prime Minister and for that reason he made Manmohan Singh as Prime Minister. Where was the secular force when thousands of Hindus were killed in Mumbai when the Mumbai Blast has taken place in 1993 and the riots after that.
 
What I feel is we should give more emphasis on removing State Level Parties in contesting the elections. Let them stand in the election but we should not elect them.
 
Ashish
 
 
 
From: Keralites@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Keralites@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kutty hamza
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 5:49 PM
To: Keralites@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [http://www.keralites.net/] Make democracy more beneficial to the country
 
 
Mr.Mathew you are right.  syndicate later became Congress(O).  As regards Modi, just check how many Muslim members and from other Minority communities are there in his cabinet and pls explain how minorities will get justice and peace if India's reign is given to such chauvinists. Congress will come back to power not because of its performance, but because of Modi as its opponent.  Even Nitish and Advani are doubtful of such a predicament.
 
 
From: Thomas Mathew <thomasmathew47@hotmail.com>
 
Dear Mr. Varkey
 
Will you please clarify how Nehru made sure that Indira Gandhi became the next Prime Minister. If my memory is correct, after Nehru's demise, it was Shastri who became the PM and Indira Gandhi first time became a minister at that time as Information and Broadcasting Minister. After the sudden demise of Shastri at Tashkent, Morarji wanted to become the PM and every one wanted him out. It was Kamaraj, who brought in Indira Gandhi as a consensus PM to keep Morarj out, thinking that she would remain within the control of the senior leaders of the congress, who later came to be known as the Syndicate. Rest is history.
 
Thomas Mathew
To: Keralites@yahoogroups.com
From: kochumadathil@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:37:08 +0100
Subject: Re: [http://www.keralites.net/] Make democracy more beneficial to the country

 
 
Dear all,
 
I have been watching the debate of make democracy more beneficial to the country.  I agree with the statement.
 
But I disagree with another fact.  India got freedom after a long fight against British rule with the front line leaders like Nehru, Gandhi and other main stream politicians.  Nehru was a power monger.  He made it sure that next Prime minister should be Indira Gandhi and the power should lie with Nehru family.  When Indira Gandhi has been killed Rajiv became Prime Minister.  One or the other way, the power have been cornered within the Nehru Family.  Can we call it a true democracy.  We are proud that we are world's largest democracy. But is it true or can we call it Nehru Dynasty.  Now Rahul Gandhi have been trying to become Prime Minister/ President of INC.  Do you think that from the billions of Indian population none of them are capable of taking over as the Head of INC and Prime Minister of India other than anybody from Nehru Family. I agree India is a developing country, and we need to improve a lot in the education, finance, employment, health care, basic amenities like  road, rail and other transport facilities.  But my question is why we cannot get rid of this dynastic rule after sixty six years of independence? 
 
Joseph Varkey
 
From: Gangadharan Nair N
To: Keralites
Sent: Sunday, 16 June 2013, 2:41
Subject: Re: [http://www.keralites.net/] Make democracy more beneficial to the country
 
 
Oh my God, what a statement from Mr. ICS Menon. Is it a BLUNDER or NON SENSE or IGNORANCE or BLIND FAITH or combination of all these, makes him to give a statement like this " in india, i can not find any political party capable of running the country other than THE INDIAN NATIONAL CONGRESS". For ignorance and blind faith there is NO CURE. But if he keeps in pace with time and knowledge he can correct his belief. But for that he got to do a lot of work. Read the news paper everyday keep the political knowledge updated. For the last half century congress does not have a remarkable presence in Tamil Nadu. For the last quarter century most of the states there is no virtual presence of this great party hi is talking about. Through sympathy the nation voted this party with a thumbing majority of 444 seats out of 543 in 1984, but this party never had the tenacity or courage or performance record to keep that majority. Today majority of States where the development is more than the average of national development all are non-congress States. Indira Gandhi had a sweet dream of becoming the unquestionable leader of India and ruling this nation for ever. For that she encouraged local parties of different ideologies like Shiva Sena, DMK, Bangla Congress, Kerala Congress etc. Finally what happened was a history. These regional parties become more powerful than congress and start questioning the the very presence of Congress. I want some clarification from Mr. ICS Menon. Which congress you are referring. Is it the Congress who fought the election with BULL YOKE or the congress with the symbol COW or the congress with the symbol HAND. If you are talking about the present congress party with the symbol hand, then it is a child born as INVALID. This invalid child never had a HEALTHY life since its birth. Even its parents are invalid.
 
For your information today one thing has been established without any doubt that in India every party is capable of running the country, including the RJD of Lalu Prasad, unless it is proved to be incapable like CONGRESS. 
 
Gangadharan Nair 
 
On 15 June 2013 19:52, ICS MENON ics_menon@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
dear agarwal sahab,
in india, i can not find any political party capable of running the country other than THE INDIAN NATIONAL CONGRESS. others, may be making claim that congress is corrupt etc. but they did not get a chance to do corruption. congress ruled the country and there was mis-rule also - say many lapses in the history. inspite of all these Congress only is eligible to take power and lead the country.
Modi is a totally tainted man and notorious for killing innocent people - both muslims and hindus and he can not wash his hands of the blood during his whole life. sahab, for God's sake do not advocate for a person like Modi to lead India. Can you ask him to re-habilitate the people ran away from Gujarat and bring them back to their mother country???
as such, my strong belief is that ONLY CONGRESS CAN LEAD THE COUNTRY AHEAD OF CHINA and lead asia.
there is a very good system of democratic set up here and the judiciary and executives are getting stronger now. you can see many cases against modi govt. getting activated.
I feel that we should reach the ignorant people who cast their votes to regional parties and waste it. they must be made it clear that only congress can run the show, others are all after power and money.
JAI HIND
From: Pramod Agrawal
To: Keralites@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2013 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [http://www.keralites.net/] Make democracy more beneficial to the country
Dear Sir,
How the system will clean?? who will take the lead, only I you?
Every one, from left to right, from front to back, from top to bottom is corrupt.
A person like Modi, who is doing well, every one is after him, trying to pull him down from the seat. We need dictatorship not the democracy at least for 10 years.
what do you say,? please share the view.
Ln. P.K. Agrawal

--- On Tue, 6/11/13, Gangadharan Nair N wrote:
From: Gangadharan Nair N
Subject: Re: [http://www.keralites.net/] Make democracy more beneficial to the country
Date: Tuesday, June 11, 2013, 7:04 PM
You are absolutely RIGHT Mr. Bala. But our DEMOCRATIC SYSYEM does NOT permit any good people to run the show. What happened to Jawaharlal Nehru, VP Singh, Rajiv Gandhi now Manmohan Singh? Can you say they were corrupted before they become the Prime Ministers. They were all Clean and fresh as a VIRGIN. But what happened later after becoming the PM is history. This shows there is a great structural flaw in our democratic system. Unless and until we correct that system nothing is going to work. We got to define the responsibility of each elected members and fix it on them. Make the number of elected members to minimum so that they can function very well without any opposition. Make our vigilance dept more meaningful and functioning without any fear or favour.
Gangadharan Nair.
On 9 June 2013 10:18, GEORGE THOMAS georg_thomas@sify.com> wrote:
Whatever one may say indicting the Congress Party of scams and corruption, it seems that there is no alternative in the political arena in the present circumstances. The main opposition party BJP is proved communal which may be bent upon converting India a Hindu country, with one of its main objective in coming to power to build a grand Ram Mandir when the country is embroiled in ever so many problems today. While it is still a developing country with a majority of its citizens under poverty line, its infrastructure still in tatters, medical and health facilities for the poor still inadequate, myriad social and economic problems aplenty remain unsolved, etc., etc., it is really ironical that the party keeps the issue of Ram Mandir construction alive and considers it a prime issue to be resolved ahead of many important problems facing the country, as if once the Temple is considered it would tantamount relinquishing the major problems facing the country ! BJP has been always in the forefront in espousing the religious emotions of the majority community, thus paving the way for a communal imbalance and hatred between communities, with the sole aim of catching votes and thereby managing to come to power by unscrupulous means !
We pride ourselves being a caste less society and an impartial government, but which action or function of the government of the day is free from religious hypocrisy and fanaticism ? We start all government functions or actions with Poojas and religious formalities as prescribed or advised by Purohts and Pandits, at auspicious times prescribed and dictated by the religious heads, all the while priding ourselves with being a non-communal democratic entity. I am of the view that governments should be free from entanglement of religious activism and indulgence of business or trading with a view to make profits.
I am not trying to eulogize the Congress party which is deeply retrenched in corruption and maladministration, but certainly under the given circumstances, Congress is a better option for the country with all other leading national parties equally mired in all sorts of malpractices and inaction.
GEORGE THOMAS
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Kaikara Shajihan kaikarashajihan@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr.Bala Agarwal
Your comment against INC is not acceptable. As you said Mr. Menon may be an INC member but sure I am not INC follower. Me an leftist which is totally against corruption, scam and anti people political parties. Comparing other parties including BJP the one and only national party which is having MP andMLA in all states are INC. That means its roots spread all over India.
Corruption is everywhere and in that case BJP as well the regional parties are corrupted same like INC. Its the duty of the judiciary to catch them. But we all appreciate INC's secularism which make harmony in our country and that"s why even the majority hindus are not supporting the hindutavadi BJP which spoiled the harmony of our beloved nation with their anti minority gimmick just to grab the power. As the nation knows this and that's why even in our state when loksabha election comes people vote for secular congress party but when assembly election people vote for leftist front. So we need a strong INC at center as well left front or united front at state. so once again I can say that we Indians vote again for a congress government at centre which can bring harmony among us.
kaikara
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Pramod Agrawal pka_ur@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mr. Bala. p.l, Very well said sir!,
Indian National Congress (I) is a party of scam, fraud, corruption anti public, I fail to understand why Mr. Menon is advocating a party which has ruin the country and create so many National International problem before the country. It is the worst shameless party of India. Mr. menon seems to be the member of INC(I)
Ln. P.K. Agrawal

--- On Thu, 6/6/13, Bala p.l plbala52@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Bala p.l plbala52@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [http://www.keralites.net/] Make democracy more beneficial to the country
Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 9:37 AM
Mr. ICS menon,

there was a msg almost identical to yours projecting the Indian National Congress and branding BJP as communal.and calling to give a clear majority to the so called Indian national Congress which according to you is the national party some time back from this keralaites group . You have further said that those who oppose congress in the election on winning support the congress. Is it not a defection. No it is breach of contract and faith the people reposed on our leaders, How about parties electing their leaders to Rajya saba who have lost in the Loka saba elections. Dont you think sir this is worst than defection.
I have the following for you to ponder please.
a) The Indian national congress that stood for patriotism and full of statesmen was stabbed to death by Indira gandhi in 1969 at Bangalore AICC meet and formed Indian National Congress( I) I representing her name. she ruined the country to her best and after a short stint by Rajive Gandhi, the present INC has become Indian National Congress Itally pvt ltd. and still people like you say it is INDIAN NATIONAL CONGRESS
2) Regarding the growth of regional parties again the congress is the one which supported the birth and growth of these to keep their hold in the centre and leaving the sates to get ruined under this power and money centred regional parties and its leaders.
3) Sir , please tell me is there any state in India where you can see a united congress leadership and followers. Each state unit has more leaders and factions than the members. Please take the example of our Kerala State. How many fcations. The drama that is unfolding for the last 10 days on Chandi/Chennithala episode make one to vomit.
4) You call INC as a national party. How many states are they ruling sir and just count how many regional parties they have at center on whose support they run this ineptive Govt.
So Please let us advocate for a clean Govt by choosing clean people which ever party they belong to.
Rgds
Bala Chennai
From: Gangadharan Nair N ng.puthoor@gmail.com>
To: Keralites Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2013 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [http://www.keralites.net/] Make democracy more beneficial to the country
Mr. Menon, Your ideas are very GOOD but the present system of Government should go and a new presidential form of government should come. Then what you said is imperative. The Indian Democracy will not function properly because of its own structural flaw and NOT the political parties. A 5 tier Democracy with over 30 lakh elected members, where in each tier is opposing the other will not take a nation to any where except destruction. For your information today each member of Parliament represents an average 22.2 Lakh people. In the world there are 104 countries which do not have a population of even 20 Lakh and most of them advanced very well in the past 20 years. So it is better to hand over each Parliament constituency to its own member of Parliament and let him rule the constituency with the help of the Collector. ( More or less like old Naattu Rajaas) The member will be so serious and he will do everything for his constituency and the nation will progress. What the nation needs is a strong Vigilance Dept. to check the corruption. Let Central Ministry is formed from Rajya Sabha Members like our Manmohan Singh.
Gangadharan Nair.
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