Dear All,
It appears to be a matter of ethics & morality generating the basic concept of right versus wrong. We generally choose decisions based on our values which are built using ethics. Religions are supposed to have arisen based on values; sure it can vary. Lot of our beliefs and convictions in the past do change ( dynamism of civilization ? ) as our knowledge and awareness become more sharp, deep and broad.
Could someone ( himself preferably) try to explain the logic behind the desire of this 90 year old to specifically marry a 15 year old - tried out older women, wants novelty / wants a wife whom he could treat as his grand,grand child as well / for non-sensual marital ties / too much of sexual energy like a teen ager / is pedophilic in orientation ?
Religion and legal system are different and should continue to be so. I think legal system should tidy up a lot of traditions practised for convenience under the banner of religion.
And the question about her father - may be he hated her so much, or he might have a secondary gain like large sum of money; regardless he doesn't care !
DMS
Edmonton, AB, Canada
--- On Sat, 1/12/13, Narayanan Ramachandran <nnr_rama@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Narayanan Ramachandran <nnr_rama@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] 90 കാരന് 15 കാരി വധു
To: "Keralites@yahoogroups.com" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Saturday, January 12, 2013, 8:16 PM
Hi, Hello, Whether you take consent or not an alliance between a 15 year old and a 90 year old is highly irregular, improper and unequal. . I have a question. Will any sane person marry off a 15 year old daughter to 90 year old man. Is it correct or not correct that is the question. We are in the 21st Century much advanced technologically in all fields and all right thinking persons irrespective of faith must vehemently oppose such alliances. Rgds RAM
From: abdul azeez varikkan kandy <azeezvk@gmail.com>
To: Keralites@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] 90 കാരന് 15 കാരി വധു
Dear Islam clearly say to take consent of both bride and bride groom. So the motivation behind the marriage can be realised.And penalty can be to the father ., or the person makes this types of illegal marriage At any case it can not be supported ,without consent. Do not think for Prophet , there was no consent . Lot of HADITH are available regarding the husband ,wife relation and family relation from aysha (R) It was not for any other reason . The girl get matured even at the age of 9. So no need to make unwanted mockery towards prophet . Thank u
2013/1/12 ibrahim veloor <Ibrahimveloor@yahoo.com> Dear Joseph Antony,
1-It was a divine inspiration: Before describing the rationale behind this married relation, let it be known that the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) married Sayyida Aisha not of his own desire rather it was a Divine inspiration. Read the following Hadith; Narrated 'Aisha: That the Prophet said to her, "You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and some-one said (to me). 'This is your wife.' When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, 'If this is from Allah, it will be done." {Bukhari :: Volume 5 :: Book 58 :: Hadith 235} 2-It was not out of his physical desires: The Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) did not marry Sayyidah Aisha out of his physical desires. One need to note that for first 54 years of his life he had only one wife. His only wife till 50th year of his life was Sayyida Khadija. He spent his entire youth with her and she was a two time widowed woman, 15 years elder to him. For next four years his only wife was Sayyidah Sa'uda. 3-Age of Marriage in Old Ages:One must first understand that 1400 years ago was very different than now, times have changed and so have humans. 1400 years ago it was something very common to marry young girls, in fact they were not considered young girls, and rather they were considered young women back then. It is a historic fact that girls from the ages of 9 to 14 were being married in Europe, Asia, and Africa, in fact even in the United States girls at the age of 10 were also being married just more than a century ago.
Yet with these facts no historian claims that all these people were sick perverts, historians would call anyone who made such a claim to be arrogant and very stupid who has no grasp or understanding of history.
Even in Indo-Pak Sub-Continent girls used to be married at 12-13 even 50-60 years ago. And those 'girls' infact raised much better families. There were less family problems then. A simple analyses of the divorce rate then and know would certainly make it clear that maturity level earlier used to b Ibrahim
From: Joseph Antony <josephantony_566@yahoo.co.in>To: "Keralites@yahoogroups.com" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, January 12, 2013, 8:47 PM
Dears, In fact, as per the islamic tradition, this marriage is justified. Prophet Mohammad had maried Ayisha, the 6-year-old girl, when he was in his 50s. And muslims hold Mohammad in high esteem and try to emulate him. So how can this 90-year-old man or the girl's father be punished for what had happened? Regards Joseph Antony
You try to see the best in everyone. But unhappy people are some of the hardest people to like. And that's because they don't like themselves much.
Cling to your imperfections, they are what make you unique
How can you penalize her father as Islam doesn't prescribe a minimum legal age for a girl and an upper limit for the man for marriage. In Iran, there is a fatwa by ayatollah Qomaini that a girl as not less than 6 six years can get married and can have direct penetration sex with her at an age not less than 9. Here the girls consent is just a formality as the sharia prescribe that even a silence from a girl is her consent. In countries like Saudi, where girls are in mental slavery of the male adults, a minor's consent can manipulate easily. All these claims of consent and marital exploitation are alien to Islam and other Semitic religions, and this new value systems are imbibed by post industrial age western culture and the flow of petro-dollar to the closed Wahhabi system. -Amal
Sent from my iPad ഇവിടെ തെറ്റുകാരന് വല്യ്യ് (കുട്ടിയുടെ പിതാവ് ആണ് , ഇസ്ലാം പിതാവില് അര്പിതമാക്കിയ വലിയ്യിന്റെയ് ഉത്ത്വറവാദിതത്തില് വീയ്ച്ച വരുത്തിയിരിക്കുന്നു കൂടാതെ സാമ്പത്തിക മോഹം എന്ന സ്ഥാപിത താല്പര്യം അല്ലാഹുവിന്റെയ് പ്രീതിക്ക് പകരം ലക്ഷ്യം വെക്കുന്നു അതുകൊണ്ട് ഇത്തരം വിഷയങ്ങളില് പിതാവിനെ യാണ് ശിക്ഷിക്കേണ്ടത് On 9 January 2013 08:46, <Jaleel@alrajhibank.com.sa> wrote: 90 കാരന് 15 കാരി വധു! പ്രതിഷേധം ശക്തം പ്രണയത്തിന് കണ്ണും കാതുമില്ല എന്ന് പറയാം. അത് പ്രണയിക്കുന്നവര്ക്ക്. എന്നാല്, ഒരു 90 കാരന് സൗദിക്ക് 15 വയസ്സുളള പെണ്കുട്ടിയോട് തോന്നിയത് പ്രണയമായിരിക്കില്ല. ഇയാള് പെണ്കുട്ടിയുടെ വീട്ടുകാര്ക്ക് കനത്ത തുക സ്ത്രീധനമായി നല്കി അവളെ വിവാഹം ചെയ്തു! എന്നാല്, പെണ്കുട്ടിക്ക് വിവാഹത്തില് താല്പര്യമില്ലായിരുന്നു. ഇക്കാര്യം പുറത്തറിഞ്ഞതോടെ ട്വിറ്ററിലൂടെയും മറ്റ് സാമൂഹിക സൈറ്റുകളിലൂടെയും വ്യാപക പ്രതിഷേധമുയരുകയാണ്. പെണ്കുട്ടി തന്നേക്കാള് 75 വയസ്സ് പ്രായക്കൂടുതലുളള ഭര്ത്താവിന്റെ വീട്ടിലെത്തിയതോടെ സ്വയം പ്രതിരോധം ആരംഭിച്ചിരുന്നു. അവള് കിടപ്പുമുറിയില് കയറി കതകടച്ച് ഭര്ത്താവില് നിന്ന് രക്ഷനേടി. രണ്ട് ദിവസം കഴിഞ്ഞപ്പോഴേക്കും അവള് ഭര്ത്താവിനെ ഉപേക്ഷിച്ച് തന്റെ മാതാപിതാക്കളുടെ അടുത്തെത്തുകയും ചെയ്തു. വ്യാപക പ്രതിഷേധമുയര്ന്നിട്ടും തന്റെ വിവാഹം നിയമപരമാണെന്ന നിലപാടില് ഉറച്ചുനില്ക്കുകയാണ് സൗദി വൃദ്ധന്. തന്റെ ഭാര്യയെ തിരിച്ചു നല്കണം അല്ലെങ്കില് താന് അവളുടെ യെമനി പിതാവിനും സൗദി മാതാവിനും നല്കിയ 17,500 ഡോളര് തിരികെ നല്കണമെന്നുമാണ് ഇയാളുടെ നിലപാട്. വിവാദമായ വിവാഹത്തിനെതിരേ സൗദി നാഷണല് അസോസിയേഷന് ഓഫ് ഹ്യൂമന് റൈറ്റ്സ് ശക്തമായി രംഗത്ത് എത്തിയിട്ടുണ്ട്. വിവാഹം പരസ്പര സമ്മതത്തോടെ വേണമെന്ന നിയമം ഇവിടെ കാറ്റില് പറത്തിയിരിക്കുകയാണെന്ന് സംഘടന പറഞ്ഞു. അതേസമയം, നടന്നത് വിവാഹമല്ല മനുഷ്യക്കടത്താണെന്നാണ് ഒരാള് ട്വിറ്ററിലൂടെ പ്രതികരിച്ചത്. -- Salim Asger Ali കൈകോര്ക്കുക സാമൂഹ്യ നീതിക്കായി ------------------------------------------------- **Make your heart a light of God, -never let it dark alone..... Then you will get a hope full life -ever than you can't see..** * Keep away from the wastage or over use of water and food in our daily life, We should answer to Allah for the wastage.
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