To: keralites@yahoogroups.com
From: olivegreen1977@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:33:41 +0300
Subject: [www.keralites.net] [www.keralites.n et] ഹിന്ദു ഉണർന്നാൽ
Dear Mr. Mathew,
I fully agree with your comments. If Hinduism is not considered as a religion and it is only following patriotism as mentioned by other commentators, then why hate-generating and provoking articles are being circulated by the mouth piece of RSS – the Kesari – weekly against minorities of India especially against Muslims. I don't think that RSS represents the Hinducommunity as a whole. Majority of the Hindus are not the members of the RSS and they never argue or stand for divide and rule policy of RSS. They always support minorities and strongly stand and argue for harmony and co-existence in the society valuing the religious sentiments of all religions prevailing in the country. Some hardliners like Mr. Narendra Modi Madani are there in all religions and they are the problem makers which leads to communal riots in which numerous innocent people are attacked or killed for no reason. Narendra Modi was successful in his cleansing operation – cleansing the minority muslim community – from his State of Gujarat using the Government machinery. But some of the prominent Hindus gave shelter and food to many of the minority members risking their own lives. They are still doing this noble work where Narendra Modi left no stones unturned to cleanse the community and he was successful in achieving his goal to a great extent. The Government Officials who had given statements against Mr. Modi's involvement in the riots were high ranking Hindu officials- they proved their mettle by standing for the justice, they did not stand for the Hinduism of Mr. Modi they chose the stand for the humanity, they believed in God almighty and stood for the justice for the adversely affected innocent people. This is the only ray of hope and the true patriotism – Patriotism is not the one being propagated by "Kesari", it is being propagated "hatred" in the label as "Patriotism".
Regarding the reservations against minorities some persons think that this is a favor they are doing. Considering the pathetic conditions of the minorities, the constitution experts had made these clauses and included in the Indian Constitution to provide such reservations till such a time these minorities are brought up to the level of other religious members. Some illiterate minority members of the community go abroad and work as labors there and earning some money to survive their family and themselves, these cannot be considered as their standard of living had gone up and no reservations to their families are required. They are unskilled workers and all their prosperity will come to nil when they return back to our state as they have no other source of income or they can't do any other work as they are illiterate. The jobs they were doing is neither available nor a suitable remuneration to these jobs are payable here. Various commissions had clearly stated that the muslims are not occupying the ratio entitled for them in Government services - the reason is their prevailing backward conditions and non-availability of qualified persons to occupy the positions. Some people's are boiling their blood by saying that all backward muslims are prosperous people due to money being received from Gulf countries due to their jobs there. Jobs are not reserved only for muslims, people from all walks of life can go to GCC to earn their living, but they don't want to disturb their life span leaving their family and children behind but they are jealous if a labor or sweeper who come after a separated hardship filled stay of two or three years in GCC to see their family back in India - what a controversial mentality it is.
Kerala is prosperous due to these hard earned money amassed by Gulf employees but the Government of India never value these services and not give any consideration on their welfare. Bullock cart like airoplanes are allotted for GCC services whereas new and ultra modern facility planes are provided for US and UK trips with lesser expense than that of GCC trips. What a step motherly treatment - is it justifiable? None are asking why this type of actions from Central and State Governments. Kesari never observed patriotism in these poor labors earnings which is giving a source of prosperity to our State in particular and the nation as a whole - but they never leave a chance to spread communal hatred among the common people.
We have to understand the hidden agendas on these so called reformers of the society and accept only the viable and good ones.
Jai Hind
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From: Thomas Mathew thomasmathew47@hotmail.com>
Date: 2013/8/14
Subject: RE: [www.keralites.net] Re: [www.keralites.net] ഹിന്ദു ഉണർന്നാൽ
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Dear Mr. Sudarshan
What ever be the philosophy of RSS, they used to spread venom against Christians and Muslims in their mouthpiece organiser, which I used to read some time back.
Budhists and Sikhs do not consider themselves as Hindus, they consider themselves as separate religions and have been treated as minorities in India.
I do not think any true Christian or Muslim is a member of RSS. But there are a few people with Christian names in BJP to fulfill their political ambitions, which they cannot achieve in other political parties; BJP project them as show pieces.
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From: ck_sudarsan@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 23:54:10 -0700
Subject: [www.keralites.net] Re: [www.keralites.net] ഹിന്ദു ഉണർന്നാൽ
Dear
Dear Mr. Thomas Mathew,
Majority of members in alsmost all social/political organizations in india except muslim league are hindus and we are not considering them as religios organizations. As per my understanding RSS is not considering "Hindu" as a religion but it is the culture of India. Religion means a state of life bound by monastic vows, belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe and a set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader. Religion is a fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a group of people. These set of beliefs concern the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, and involve devotional and ritual observances. They also often contain a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
"An orderly life so far as others are able to observe us is now and then produced by prudential motives or by dint of habit; but without seriousness there can be no religious principle at the bottom, no course of conduct from religious motives; in a word, there can be no religion". --Paley.
Likewise in Hinduism, there are so many relirions viz Saiva, Vaishnava, Sakteya, Ganapatya, Sikh, Jaina, Budha, Charvaka etc and hinduism or sanathana dharma is a consolidation of all these religions and have no common belief, vommon God, common geverning code of conduct, common practices, common teaching and common spiritual leader. Religions are practising ceremonies like mamodisa/sunnath to take their followers/believers in to the religion also. In hinduism, there are no practices like that. Then how can we consider hinduism as a religion? Actually and as per RSS doctrine, Hinduism is not a religion but it is the encient living culture and nationality of Bharat. Hindus are the natives of Bharat whther they are believing or not believing in religions. Hinduism has so many religions, scholors, leaders, preachers, Gods, beliefs, practices, groups, code of conducts, holy books etc. For RSS, Hinduism is Indianism only. Moreover, for your information, RSS has so many christians, muslims, sikhs, jains, budhists as its members, offece bearers and well wishers.
Sudarsanan
From: Thomas Mathew thomasmathew47@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 7:07 PM
Subject: RE: [www.keralites.net] ഹിന്ദു ഉണർന്നാൽ
First of all I do not agree with you that RSS is not a religious organisation; its members are all Hindus and they are against Christians and Muslims. I do not about the legality of the ban on RSS imposed by Nehru.
As you said casteism is the bane of Indian society. Many of the lower castes in the north converted to Christianity thinking that they could get out of the caste system. Though they got better education in Christian Schools and their life style improved, they are still discriminated among Christians, though unlike Hinduism, the religion as such does not recognise castes. By this conversion they have lost the Scheduled Caste Status and many, including one Central Minister has gone back to his Hindu Caste to get the benefit of reservation. So now even if you do want to abolish casteism, the castes which are getting the benefit of reservation will not agree to that.
I was a Central Government officer, who resigned the job in frustration when an SC officer was promoted over me due to the reservation quota. The only advice I gave to my children was never to join Govt. service as it is meant for quota people.
To: Keralites@yahoogroups.comFrom: ng.puthoor@gmail.comDate: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:23:04 +0530Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] ഹിന്ദു ഉണർന്നാൽ
Yes Mr. Mathew you have come to the crux of the issue. Yes there is a general trend in Hindus in the country that they have been divided by the name of caste, colour and region and have been ignored for the last 65 years ever since the independence. Even though Muslim League is a religeous Party and the RSS is NOT at all religious organization even then Mr. Jawaharla Nehru chose to ban RSS and recognize the Muslim Leage in 1959. For what? To appease the Muslims at the cost of other religions. This type of partiality you can see every where. For a healthy nation no citizen should think about his religion and the religion should be kept within the four walls of its worship place. In India what is happening. The other way. Who is responsible for this. The Government and Government alone. Any discrimination or favour based on religion or caste is dangerous to the nation. Today or tomorrow it will lead to destruction of the nation. In India any caste or sub caste of Islam is Muslim but in Hindus they divided it into 1,000 caste and referred as particular caste and not as HINDU. This has paid good dividend in the past to the Government. It cannot be continued. I will fully agree if any record where they are NOT asking for your religion or caste or sub caste being implemented and all favours are given based on economical conditions. Will any body take that challenge.
Gangadharan Nair.
2013/8/10 Thomas Mathew thomasmathew47@hotmail.com>
Dear Mr. Nair
While I generally agree with your posting, I say that Christians have not added any thing in their appearance to make them identifiable as a Christian, rather I see a revivalism among Hindus with more people seen in public with sandal wood paste on their foreheads and threads on their hands. When I was in a school, which was a Hindu managed one and majority of the students Hindus, I had not seen any one with threads on their hands and with sandal wood paste on their foreheads excepting on some special days.
T. Mathew
To: Keralites@yahoogroups.comFrom: peekay282002@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 01:41:18 -0700Subject: Re: [http://www.keralites.net/] ഹിന്ദു ഉണർന്നാൽ
Mr അബ്ദുൽ ഗഫൂർ ,
താങ്കൾ എഴുതിയ ആക്ഷേപ ഹാസ്യം വായിച്ചിട്ട് എഴുതാതിരിക്കാൻ തോന്നുന്നില്ല .സാധാരണയായി ഇങ്ങനെയുള്ള വിഷയങ്ങളോട് പ്രതികരിക്കാറില്ല എങ്കിലും ഒന്ന് പറഞ്ഞോട്ടെ .നിങ്ങൾ ഒരു കഥപോലെ പറഞ്ഞ ഈ സംഭവങ്ങൾ കേരളത്തിൽ എവിടെയെങ്കിലും നടക്കുന്നതായിട്ട് എന്റെ അറിവിൽ ഇല്ല. ഇങ്ങനെ നടക്കുന്ന സ്ഥലങ്ങൾ ഉണ്ടെങ്കിൽ മറ്റുള്ളവരെകൂടെ അറിയിച്ചാൽ വലിയ ഉപകാരം. കാരണം ഇങ്ങനെ കാണിക്കുന്ന ഹിന്ദുക്കളെ കാര്യങ്ങൾ പറഞ്ഞു മനസിലാക്കാനും മനസിലായില്ലെങ്കിൽ ഒറ്റപെടുതാനും വളരെ എളുപ്പമാണ്. എന്തുകൊണ്ടെന്നാൽ ഒരു ഹിന്ദു പുരോഹിതനും അവരുടെ അനുയായികളെ പത്താം നൂറ്റാണ്ടിലേക്ക് കൊണ്ടുപോകുന്ന രീതിയിൽ ഉപദേശി ക്കാറില്ല, ഉപദേ ശത്തിനു അനുയായികൾ നിന്നുകൊടുക്കാറില്ല . അങ്ങനെ ആരെങ്കിലും വന്നാൽ ആ പുരോഹിതനെ തന്നെ പറഞ്ഞു തിരുത്താനുള്ള സ്വാതന്ത്ര്യം അനുയായികൾക്കുണ്ട് . മുസ്ലിമുകൾക്കോ ? പറഞ്ഞു തിരുത്താൻ ശ്രമിച്ച ചേകന്നൂർ മൗലവി ഇന്നെവിടെയാണ്? എന്നെപോലുള്ളവരുടെ ചെറുപ്പത്തിൽ തലയിൽ തട്ടമിട്ട പെണ്കുട്ടിയെ കണ്ടാൽ അതൊരു മുസ്ലിം കുട്ടിയാണ് എന്ന് തിരിച്ചറിയാം എന്നുള്ളതല്ലാതെ പേര് വിളിക്കാതെയിരുന്നാൽ മുസ്ലിമിനെയും ഹിന്ദുവിനെയും ക്രിസ്ത്യാനിയെയും തിരിച്ചറിയുക പ്രയാസമായിരുന്നു.ഇന്നത്തെ സ്ഥിതി എന്താണ്? ചെറിയ കുട്ടികളെ പോലും തലയിൽ തൊപ്പി ഇടുവിച്ചും പെണ്കുട്ടികളെ മൊത്തമായി മൂടിവച്ചും മുസ്ലിംകൾ വീടിനു വെളിയിൽ വിടുന്നു ,കയ്യിൽ പലനിറങ്ങളിലുള്ള ചരട് കെട്ടിയിട്ടു ഹിന്ദുക്കൾ വിടുന്നു ,ക്രിസ്ത്യാനികൾ അവരുടെതായ അടയാളങ്ങൾ കാണിക്കുന്നു . ഇതൊക്കെ തുടങ്ങിയത് എന്ന് മുതൽക്കാണെന്നു ആർക്കെങ്കിലും അറിയാമോ? എന്റെ ഒരു അറിവ് വച്ചാണെങ്കിൽ സൗദിയിലെ പണം കേരളത്തിലേക്ക് ഒഴുകുവാൻ തുടങ്ങിയതിന്റെ കൂടെയാണ് മുസ്ലിമ്കളുടെയിടയിൽ ഇന്ന് കാണുന്ന ഈ മാറ്റം കണ്ടുതുടങ്ങിയത്. സൌദിയിൽ നിന്ന് കിട്ടുന്ന പണം നമ്മുടെ വിയർപ്പിന്റെ കൂലിയാന്നെന്നും നമ്മൾ ചെയ്യുന്ന ജോലി അവിടതുകാര്ക്ക് ചെയ്യാൻ പറ്റില്ലെന്നും നമുക്ക് നമ്മുടേതായ സംസ്കാരവും ജീവിതരീതികളും ഉണ്ടെന്നും ഉള്ള കാര്യം മിക്കവാറും മുസ്ലിം സഹോദരങ്ങളും മറന്നുപോയി. അത് മറക്കാത്ത കുറെ മുസ്ലിം സഹോദരങ്ങൾ ഇപ്പോഴുമുണ്ടെങ്കിലും ഭൂരിപക്ഷവും മറിച്ചു ചിന്തിക്കുന്നവരായി പോയി .അതിനൊപ്പിച്ച് ഹിന്ദുക്കളിൽ ഒരു ചെറു വിഭാഗവും ക്രിസ്ത്യാനികളും ചിന്തിച്ചു പോയതിൽ ആര്ക്ക് കുറ്റം പറയാൻ പറ്റും. പുരോഹിതന്മാർ പറയുന്നത് അനുസരിചില്ലെങ്കിലും ഊരു വിലക്കുന്ന സമ്പ്രദായം ഹിന്ദുക്കളുടെ കൂട്ടത്തിൽ ഇല്ലഎന്നാണെന്റെഅറിവ്. ഗഫൂർ,പ്രിയസഹോദരാ ഇങ്ങനെയുള്ളകഥകൾഎഴുതാതെപറ്റുമെങ്കിൽസ്വന്തംവീട്ടിലുംനാട്ടിലുംസമുദായത്തിലുംസമൂഹത്തിലുംഉള്ളഅനാചാരങ്ങളെ ഇല്ലാതാക്കാൻതാങ്കൾക്കുഎന്ത്ചെയ്യാൻകഴിയുംഎന്നാലോചിച്ച്അതുപോലെചെയ്യാൻശ്രമിയ്ക്കു.അങ്ങനെവ്യത്യസ്തനായഒരു മനുഷ്യനാകാനുംചേകന്നൂർമൗലവി(യുടെഗതിവരാതിരിക്കാനും) ആകാതിരിക്കാനുംശ്രമിക്കു.ഒരുകാര്യംഇവിടെഉറപ്പോടെ പറയാൻകഴിയുന്നത്എന്താണെന്നുവച്ചാൽ,സൌദിയിൽനിന്നുംമറ്റുഗൾഫുരാജ്യങ്ങളിൽനിന്നുംകൊണ്ടുവന്ന(മലയാളിക്ക്ഒട്ടും ആവശ്യമില്ലാത്ത) വികാരങ്ങൾ മാറ്റി വച്ച് നമ്മൾമലയാളികൾആണെന്നുംസർവ്വോപരിഇന്ത്യക്കാരാണെന്നുംചിന്തിച്ചാൽ നാളെയെങ്കിലുംഇങ്ങനെയുള്ളകഥകൾക്കുള്ളവിഷയംതാങ്കള്ക്ക്കിട്ടാതിരുന്നെക്കാം.
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