Tuesday 29 January 2013

Re: [www.keralites.net] The Chain becomes insane--മന്ത്രി ചട്ടങ്ങളുടെ ചങ്ങലയഴിച്ചു; ആനകള്‍ ഇടഞ്ഞോടുന്നു

 

Let us all contribute suggestions to manage the situation in such a way that feelings of the people are not hurt and also precious lives are saved. 

1 can we have a gun to fire in emergency that would put the elephant to sleep instantly as bullet hits him?

2 we take out poison of snakes. Can we give elephants some medicines to calm down and always remain peaceful like we treat a human being to not to be violent?

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On Jan 29, 2013, at 8:39 AM, Thomas Mathew thomasmathew47@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Dear Mr. Moni

Thanks for your comments, which I appreciate. I expect this type of healthy discussions on any issue raised in this forum, not like the abusive ones posted by Aggarwal. I had to use some harsh words to make him understand that his behavior is not acceptable in a civilized society.
 
Now coming to the issue, we cannot compare stampedes or road accidents to deaths caused by elephants. Stampedes and road accidents are caused by humans, which can be controlled  by proper implementation of the rules and taking precautions. But elephants do not obey our regulations or rules, and no one can predict animal behavior. Owing to community considerations, I did not want to suggest a ban on elephants at festivals, but raised it an issue for consideration of the people who are knowledgeable about the religious customs.

T. Mathew


To: Keralites@yahoogroups.com
From: momkutty2002@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:01:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] The Chain becomes insane--മന്ത്രി ചട്ടങ്ങളുടെ ചങ്ങലയഴിച്ചു; ആനകള്‍ ഇടഞ്ഞോടുന്നു

 

Dear Mr Mathew
I agree with your concerns for welfare of all.  In modern world all the old traditions are diappearing. During festivals of any religeon mishaps and loss of lives were also happening.  For example stampedes in  crowded places, deaths due to Fires and Fire Crackers, Even  communal riots and such.  The number of deaths due to these mishaps are many folds when you comapre with the number of deaths due problems made by Elephants.  In this context, instead of prohibiting  Elephants to be exhibited in festivals Govt. should implement strict regulations, same like we are providng guidelines to a motorist while driving on road.  ( Even after all these regulations many are dying on road daily!!). We can keep ( with proper control) at least some traditions for our future generation while we stick on to the welfare of all.
Regards
Moni
 
From: Thomas Mathew thomasmathew47@hotmail.com>
To: pka_ur@yahoo.com; keralites@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: [www.keralites.net] The Chain becomes insane--മന്ത്രി ചട്ടങ്ങളുടെ ചങ്ങലയഴിച്ചു; ആനകള്‍ ഇടഞ്ഞോടുന്നു
 
Dear Aggarwal

Your mindset is as bad as your language which reflect your education and culture. Earlier you got flak from many Keralites for abusing Keralites as a whole, but you have not improved

As being no authority on Hindu scriptures, I invited a discussion on the topic from persons who know about the scriptures and you reply provocatively. Now I challenge your knowledge about Hindu scriptures. Can you quote from any ancient Hindu scripture  prescribing that elephants must be used  in temple festivals? If it is there, why elephants are not being used in temple festivals in other parts of India, especially in the north. You talk about tradition, earlier there were  sacrifices (Guruti) of animals and even human beings,  why it has been stopped. Age old traditions should change if it  it is not conducive to the welfare of the people.

I am no one to advocate for stopping elephants at festivals. I do not go for temple festivals to be trampled by rogue elephants and none among the 220 people who were killed by elephants during the last three years was my relative or friend. I do not care if you will be one among the 220 in the coming two years; but I share the grief of the relatives of the innocents who lost their lives to the elephants and am concerned that many more will be loosing their lives likewise in the coming days. 

T. Mathew


Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:01:00 -0800 From: pka_ur@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] The Chain becomes insane--മന്ത്രി ചട്ടങ്ങളുടെ ചങ്ങലയഴിച്ചു; ആനകള്‍ ഇടഞ്ഞോടുന്നു To: Keralites@yahoogroups.com; thomasmathew47@hotmail.com
YES, Elephants are must for temple festivals. It is not the regular feature, some time it happened, but it does not means, you stop so long long tradition only for this incident.
Recently a fire broke-out in Brazil Club and app. 300 people died ( not 3) and more then 500 injured, what will you do? will you stop club or stop using the fire? This is your absolutey useless question for debit. An empty vessel sound much.
Ln. P.K. Agrawal
From: Thomas Mathew thomasmathew47@hotmail.com>
To: keralites@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 10:15 AM
Subject: RE: [www.keralites.net] The Chain becomes insane--മന്ത്രി ചട്ടങ്ങളുടെ ചങ്ങലയഴിച്ചു; ആനകള്‍ ഇടഞ്ഞോടുന്നു
 
Dear All

In today's news also three people have been killed due to elephants getting wild at a temple festival. In this context, opinions from knowledgeable persons  as to whether elephants are a must for  temple festivals are solicited. 

T.Mathew
To: From: jacobthomas_aniyankunju@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:38:47 -0800 Subject: [www.keralites.net] The Chain becomes insane--മന്ത്രി ചട്ടങ്ങളുടെ ചങ്ങലയഴിച്ചു; ആനകള്‍ ഇടഞ്ഞോടുന്നു 
ഇതെല്ലാം ആനകളുടെ ജീവന്‍ അപകടത്തിലാക്കിയെന്ന് ആനപ്രേമികള്‍ പരാതിപ്പെടുന്നു. ആനകളെ വാഹനങ്ങളില്‍ കൊണ്ടുപോകുന്നതിലാണ് കൂടുതല്‍ ഇളവ് അനുവദിച്ചിരിക്കുന്നത്. എത്ര കിലോമീറ്റര്‍ വേണമെങ്കിലും ഒറ്റയടിക്ക് കൊണ്ടുപോകാം. മോട്ടോര്‍വാഹന വകുപ്പിന്റെ പെര്‍മിറ്റുള്ള വണ്ടിയിലാകണമെന്നു പറയുന്നുണ്ടെങ്കിലും വണ്ടിക്കു മുന്നില്‍ നാലും പിന്നില്‍ എട്ടും ചക്രങ്ങള്‍ വേണമെന്ന നിബന്ധന പാലിക്കുന്നില്ല. വനംമന്ത്രിയുടെ നേതൃത്വത്തിലുള്ള ആന ഉടമാ സംഘത്തിന്റെ ഇടപെടല്‍മൂലം വാഹനവകുപ്പ് നടപടി എടുക്കുന്നില്ല. ഏജന്റുമാര്‍വഴിയാണ് ഉടമകള്‍ ആനകളെ ഉത്സവത്തിന് നല്‍കുന്നത്. ബുക്കിങ് അനുസരിച്ച് ഓരോ സ്ഥലത്തും ആനയെ എത്തിക്കാന്‍ ഉടമാസംഘം 70 ലോറികളും തയ്യാറാക്കിയിട്ടുണ്ട്. വാടകയ്ക്കു പുറമെ 10,000 രൂപ ജാമ്യവും വാങ്ങിയാണ് വണ്ടി നല്‍കുന്നത്. കേസും മറ്റ് വ്യവഹാരങ്ങളും നേരിട്ടുകൊള്ളാമെന്ന ഉറപ്പിലാണത്രെ ജാമ്യത്തുക വാങ്ങുന്നത്. ഇതെല്ലാം മുതലാക്കി പരമാവധി സാമ്പത്തിക നേട്ടം ലക്ഷ്യമിട്ട് ആനകളുടെ പ്രായവും ആരോഗ്യനിലയും പരിഗണിക്കാതെ കഠിനാധ്വാനം ചെയ്യിക്കുകയാണ് ബുക്കിങ് ഏജന്റുമാര്.
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