Thursday 6 February 2020

[www.keralites.net] Re: [aryayouthgroup] Re: [FHRS_USA] Fw: All Muslims are illegal immigrants in Hindusthan

 

Sanjeev,
What you say may be true though it is false for all Muslims. As long as we cannot separate the good Muslims from the bad Muslims what is the solution? If you have no solution why harp on it when we have more pressing issues?
According to Jesus, there must be one flock and one shepherd and in that Christianity is no different from Islam. But over 2000 years of never ending conflicts and  wars for bringing about the one-flock-one-shepherd world Christianity has learned that it is not practical. It is a matter of time before Islam also learns the hard way that their dreams of a single Khalifate are impossible.
In the meantime you also have to consider Muslim nations like Indonesia where the Hindus  constitute 83% of Bali live in peace and prosper under Muslims . So why do you judge Muslims by the Muslims of Syria or Saudi Arabia and not by the Muslims of Indonesia or other places.
There are two ways of thinking. one is to reach a conclusin first and then find evidence for it as you are now dcoing. But the logical way is to find evidence first and then to reach a conclusion. So when you think of bad Muslims of the middle east also think of the good Muslims of Indonesia who constitute 87% of the population.

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 10:36, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

We reluctantly mention Gandhi because of some old generation people
still consider him an ideal solution to today's problems.  They learned
nothing from history and will commit the same blunders. That is why
we want to give them a wakeup call.

And never commit a bluer to think Muslims are like any other community.
Their aspirations are converting the whole world to 'Dar-es-salaam', declare
only Koran can be the guidance and whatever is taught in it is the only
solution.  In fact, complete surrender to Middle-eastern barbarism of 7th
century. I won't be surprised if they again start stoning to death the
scientists for telling something contradicting Koran.  There is no common
aspiration.  So wake up.  They have given enough signals for anyone to
understand what will happen if they are not dealt with severally like 
China does. China is not run by sanghis but they know how to handle
this menace.

Sanjeev

On Friday, 7 February, 2020, 10:01:50 am IST, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Why dissect Gandhi now or the others? Why are we so interested in the past ignoring the present and the future that awaits us?
European kingdoms were always at war with each other, Now they see sense and cooperate with each other which would not have been possible if they focused on harped on their past.
Muslims, Christians and others may be undesirable. But what is the solution? Can we exterminate them as Hitler tried to do with the Jews?
We have differences and commonalities with almost everyone including our wives and children. If we focus and harp on the differences with others we shall never find peace. On the other hand if we focus on the common aspirations we can build a future for the common good.
There are people who are dismayed or disappointed with their life and they are the ones who blame others for their state of affairs. Then there are the politicians who stand to gain from such differences and the problems that arise therefrom. Dont fall into their traps! Thats what I have to say.
Here in India Hindus have the majority and the Muslims are the minority. But remember in Malaysia and elsewhere things are in reverse.

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 09:33, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I knew you must be from the batch two generations earlier than mine.
That was generally the generation muddy minded and not trained in critical 
thinking - only emotionally driven.  But get acquainted with the
new assessment of Gandhi by others -

It seems you have not read this article.  So again I am attaching.

Sanjeev

On Friday, 7 February, 2020, 04:29:04 am IST, Dhirendra Sharma dhiren.sharma32@gmail.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

"Dedi hame Azadi... is nothing but fraud played on gullible Indians"...

to say so and  believe  so,  You must be gullible - and ignorant person.. You seem to be ignorant
of world history of civilisation ....

I have witnessed the Freedom struggle and partition syndrome- my father  was among those 
 80,000 Indians  imprisoned  on Gandhi's call 1942,British! Quit India movement.

We don't belittle Netaji - contribution - but Gandhiji's  Satyagraha mantra,  in 20th century,
  brought Independence ,  for  more  than 30 Afro-Asian  colonies! 
 I request you NOT TO INSULT THE FATHER OF THE NATION. You  must observe basic
courtesy  not to use impolite language when you ref to historical icons.of Mother India. 


Sabko sanmati de Bhagwan!
Dhirendra Sharma

 


On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 2:00 PM Deva Sarran Samaroo devasamaroo@hotmail.com [FHRS_USA] <FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

The time has come to get Hindus United. Describing MUSLIMS and ISLAM will not save HINDUISM OR MOTHER INDIA.

MUSLIMS AND ISLAM WILL DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. THEY DO NOT RESPECT LAWS OF ANY NON MUSLIMS COUNTRIES EVEN QUR'ANIC THEY ONLY SEE THE 2200 SURAS OF THE QURAN THAT SAYS KILL NON BELIEVERS AND DESTROYED NON MUSLIMS COUNTRIES. SHAHIN BAUG IS A STRATIGIC PLAN OF DECEPTION USING ANTI CAA INTENT TO RADICALISE YOUNG MUSLIMS AND CLAIM IT IS THEIR DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS . WHEREAS THEY SUPPORT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN PAKISTAN AND BANGLADESH THE KIDNAPPING OF HINDU GIRLS RAPE AND MARRIED THEM INTO ISLAM.

THE LEFTIST ANTI MODIJI ANTI BJP ANTI INDIA PSYCHOPHANTS LIBERAL SECULARISTS LEFTISTS GANG DO NOT SEE BEYOND RHETORICS OF BEING ANTI MODIJI THAT ISLAM WHOLE OBJECTIVES  IRRESPECTIVE OF IS TO DESTROY INDIA  HINDUISM AND MORE SO TO KILL PM NARENDRA MODIJI FIRST THEN YOGI ADITYANATH N AMIT SHAH

GANDHI - NEHRU DID WHAT THEY WANTS  WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE WANT. HISTORY GIVES US  A LESSON LET US NOT REPEAT SAME  BY PONTIFICATING.

GIVE A WAKE UP CALL ON HINDUS IRRESPECTIVE OF CASTE CREED OR OBC STATUS FIRSTLY TO RID KEJRIVAL IN DELHI AND LET BJP WIN.

DEVA

LONDON

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Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 8:05:09 AM
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taking sides and belittling our heroes is not right. We are not doing any service to our freedom fighters. whether INA or congress and Gandhiji all should be treated with equal respect. 30-40 yrs of struggle and INA's action combined brought us here. Therefore, praising one against the other is meanthing. 
I am not sure, but remember having seen in movie when Netaji is seen asking captain Lakshmi whether he had any right to get so many soldiers killed in a battle of unequals? He understood that the battle was between a mighty power and ill equipped freedom fighters. Was it justified? 

Not going into that, I believe we as indians, should stop praising one against the other. We did nothing, did not take part in any struggle and now sitting in jedge chair to pass judgements. damn wrong

girish b desai


On Monday, February 3, 2020, 12:41:13 AM CST, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Sorry, people have started re-assessing legacy of Gandhi.  Also,
Dedi hame Azadi... is nothing but fraud played on gullible Indians.
It negates herculean efforts by freedom-fighters, Azad Hind Seana
and scores of revolutionaries who laid their lives for freedom.
Their contribution is deliberately negated and ignored until today
by congress propagandists.  Also the following assessment by Richard
Grenier is an eye-opener for those who are not driven by emotions
and have the courage to face reality and open mind to evaluate
fresh evidence and assessment.


Sanjeev

On Monday, 3 February, 2020, 11:16:44 am IST, Dhirendra Sharma dhiren.sharma32@gmail.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Dear Editor:  FHRS- USA!
I share your commitment to Krinvanto Vishvam-Aryam..
.
But Condemning Mahatma Gandhi  reflects our lack of  knowledge of historical development. at the end of 2nd World War..

Narendra Modi once said NO ONE IS HOLIER THAN THE OTHERS... There is no Hindu blood group
that distinguish us from the non-Hindus and there is no wrong doings/ SIN that the muslims commit and we the Hindus (ARYAs) don't!

I have  witnessed the Partition syndrome  - you name it what evil we HIndus (Aryans) did
not commit?  If  millions of white Christian- women were raped and killed in the 2nd World War,  it was  was the Mahatma  Gandhi who opposed the Partition of India,   and  save  the honour of FEE India.   No  leader was there to stop the raping
and killings  in newly  Independent India!

The   Mahatma, age  80, was unarmed  ( no security provided by the state),  in the evening  prayer,  singing
  the Ram-dhun:
               Raghupati-Ragahav Raja Ram ...patitpavan Sita-Ram !  when he was killed by a Maratha Hindu  ( ARYA) Brahmin!

Those  HIndu  chauvinists are ignorant  of Gandhiji's  Historical contribution to world civilisation.
...DEDI  AAZADI HAME - BINA KHADG - BINA-DHAL
 O! SABARMATI -KE SANT!  TUNE KAR DIYA KAMMAL

 Dhirendra Sharma,
Founder- Editor; PHILOSOPHY &  SOCIAL ACTION,qty (1975-2005)
Shastri, Sahityacharya, Nyaya-Tirtha,
Ph.D. ( Lond).

On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 4:50 AM RSingh305@aol.com [FHRS_USA] <FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Sanjeev ji
Your irrefutable arguments should convince any doubting Tom but yet there are die hard brainwashed Hindus who put Gandhi ABOVE Bharat.

They hold the view, "Don't mention PARTITION..... It may reflect badly on Gandhi!"

Sadly, it is a fact that for over thousand years the top leader, or ruler, (King or Emperor) in Hindusthan was above the country..... Hence Oaths of Loyalty were towards these mortals in the highest posts of power. 

That slave's tradition continues to this day when Nehru and Gandhi are BEYOND reproach!

Where the citizens are BORN FREE we see in what esteem Hitler and Mussolini are held by the Germans and the Italians respectively today.

If we aspire to see the HINDUS at the same level of intellect & patriotism, then both Gandhi and Nehru ought to be TRIED for the unconditional surrender of Lahore IN PERPETUITY without a condition, without referendum.

regards
rajput
2.2.2020

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From: sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 17:03
Subject: Re: [FHRS_USA] Fw: All Muslims are illegal immigrants in Hindusthan

 
He did understand.  But he was dishonest.  But again, Gandhi as a person
is not important.  Hindus as a society followed him was the main problem. 
Don't blame a joker for acting like a joker.  Blame yourselves for going
to the circus.

Sanjeev

On Sunday, 2 February, 2020, 08:57:22 pm IST, vasant sardesai vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
The difficulty is that Mahatma Gandhi and other leaders never understood the Mantra they have used about Hinduism and Hindus.They quoted only  the first part of teh Mantra "Ahinsa Param Dharma to give prominence to Ahinsa. forgetting that the remaining part is equally or even more  important..


V. S. Sardesai

On Saturday, 1 February, 2020, 2:21:26 pm IST, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
1.  Gandhi advised only Hindus to bow to rapists and commit suicide 
as a gesture of grand sacrifice.  In our culture 'sacrifice' is glorified 
'unconditionally'. Mostly it is a sacrifice for the sake of sacrifice without
any goal.   Anyone sacrificing something (even if it is extremely stupid act 
considering the consequences) is considered Mahatma or saintly.  Once 
the person is installed at a high pedestal of Mahatmahood, he cannot 
dismount the tiger and has to act in such a way that his image of a 
modern-day saint is reinforced.  For that, he has to sacrifice the followers 
and disregard justice or even humanity. Gandhi fell for this mahatma 
syndrome and did everything for it with total disregard to peace, non-
violence, justice or even humanity.  It is estimated his politics resulted
in four million deaths immediately, not to count innumerable rapes,
four wars and holocaust of Hindus left in Pakistan over 7 decades.
And the world over he is considered an icon of non-violence and peace!
Nothing can get more pervert than this.

2.  Hindus have more traitors than Muslims have terrorists among them.
So it is short-sighted to ask for the union of India again.....  Pakistan / Bangladesh
was a strategic blunder of Muslims.  Unfortunately, Hindus have no vision
to exploit the hand destiny has dealt to them.  600 million Muslims in united
India and fragmented Hindu society with their leaders who are willing to
sell their interests for personal considerations is a lethal combination for
Hindus.  Muslims stupidly trifurcated themselves.  Take full advantage of it.
If Hindus have a brain, they will destroy what is already divided.

3. If Hindus rely on state support for their survival, they have no future.
Period!

Sanjeev

On Saturday, 1 February, 2020, 07:31:15 am IST, RSingh305@aol.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ref. e-mail below. How true!
1947 saw TOTAL COLLAPSE of India at the feet of MA Jinnah- all due to treachery by NEHRU and appeasement policies of Gandhi. 

(*Why didn't barrister Gandhi accuse Jinnah of HIGH TREASON when he demanded Pakistan? 
*Why didn't Gandhi undertake a "fast for two minutes" in protest at the proposed break up of India {his Akhand Bharat}? 
*How did they BOTH make sure that NO Hindu was killed, robbed, abducted or raped in Pakistan?
*Why are the two above, or beyond, ACCOUNTABILITY?)

After surrendering one third of India unconditionally to establish an exclusive ISLAMIC homeland (Pakistan) for the INDIAN Muslims, at least the CONSTITUTION of "Broken Bleeding" Bharat should have denied the Muslims FULL citizenship rights.

Nowhere on earth can the MAJORITY community be "FLOGGED" twice for NO fault of theirs!

At last three things must be done: 
1.  DISCUSS PARTITION IN PARLIAMENT and ASSESS THE PART PLAYED BY GANDHI AND NEHRU.

2.  WRITE A NEW CONSTITUTION IN THE LIGHT OF PARTITION OF INDIA, AND NOT ON THE MODELS OF UK & USA (both with "UNITED" in their names!).

3.  Explain to the nation the strategic defence implications of the BORDER at Wagah instead of Khyber Pass.

The esteemed writer (below) is right. INDIAN Muslims are "legal" in Islamic Pakistan and "ILLEGAL" in secular (Partitioned) India. Their passports ought to be marked "TEMPORARY" 0r "ALIEN".

Those, including the UNO, who may cry "Discrimination!!" should be asked to UNITE India in the borders of 1947, and end the "Mischief of Muslims"!
 
We should not fail to notice the beginnings of Muslim/Congress agitation that can result in widespread violence and a lot of bloodshed eventually. Partitioned India under present Constitution is UNSTABLE- socially and politically.

Those who blessed the Indian Muslims with their separate Homeland and conferred ISLAMIC identity on Pakistan, deliberately wiped out the HINDU identity in Bharat by Constitution! 

How could the Hindus tolerate this? Without State support Hinduism is "evaporating" (dying) in Hindusthan!

rajput
1 Feb 2020


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To: Mderator FHRS_USA <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com>; FHRS_USA <FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 16:26
Subject: Re: [FHRS_USA] Fw: All Muslims are illegal immigrants in Hindusthan

 
Our culture and philosophy made the masses run after the likes of 
Gandhi/Nehru. Otherwise, they had a choice to follow Savarkar too. 
Nehru and Gandhi were only the symptoms of the mental disease of
society due to ideals bombarded on society for more than two thousand 
years after the advent of Buddhism.  Nehru/Gandhi would not pop-up 
suddenly in Western or Islamic countries.  Their poison seed was destined 
to find the fertile land only in Hindu India.  Even now a large section of the
society thinks there must be something drastically wrong in guarding
self-interest.  We have over-glorified sacrifice and poverty.  

Sanjeev

On Friday, 31 January, 2020, 08:44:20 pm IST, vasant s sardesai.vasant@gmail.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
We, the Indians are suffering because of Nehru=Gandhi's faults.

On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 10:09 AM sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 


China declares Muslims will have to take the permission of the Chinese 
government to procreate children.

All Muslims are illegal immigrants 
in Hindusthan



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Scientists & Philosophers,
"Nirmal-Nilay", Dehradun 248009 (India).
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Insaan-ko, Insaan-se ho Bhai-chaara, Yehi hai Paigaam Hamara!

Dhirendra Sharma
Centre for Science Policy/Concerned
Scientists & Philosophers,
"Nirmal-Nilay", Dehradun 248009 (India).
+(0135) 2736027.Mob. 989788 3741
http://psaindia.infotechlogic.com/



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