Thursday, 14 May 2020

[www.keralites.net] Re: [aryayouthgroup] Reply to Rajiv Malhothra

 

There were Brahmins like the Ambedkar who adopted the poor Dalit Ambedkar, nurtured him and educated him. But he was an exception rather than the rule. So saying that all Brahmins took care of all Dalits just like the Ambedkars is tantamount to the fallacy called anecdotal fallacy where a few examples are pointed out to establish a general principle.
All ancient societies were violent. In fact most of ancient histories are centered around wars and conquests. Thus we have accounts of the Romans and others setting out on wars to gain territory. It was the same in India. Thus we have Asoka and his father setting out on wars and conquering all the area from Afghanistan to Orissa and then converting them to Buddhism as was normal in those days. But the Sanghi argument that only others were violent while Vedic people were peaceful is utter nonsense. If pointing out that the Vedic world was as violent as any other is anti-Hinduism, then so be it.

On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 21:58, vasudeva rao vasu_aryasri@yahoo.co.in [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

 These people are vociferous in condemning   Ramayana and Mahabharath as myths. [ That was also the official stand of Congress party before the Supreme court.] But  they do not hesitate to cite instances from Puranas{  Which are fictitious stories and  not facts }  as God send truths to attack  Hindus for their supposed misconduct
              Let it be clear. All Puranas are fictitious stories and not history, Puranas are opposed to  Vedic teachings and hence to be discarded. They are not sources of history either they being fictitious, Hence, it is better on the part of Xavier not to rely on these sources as facts
             Further, this apart,  Ramayan ends with the coronation of Ram at Ayodhya.  The instance of Ram killing Shambuk happens to be in Uttar  Ramayan which is not the part of Ramayan penned by Sage Valmiki, It is an interpolation added later to Ramayan during the 17th century,  Hence this is pure nonsense. And further, while Parushuram is claimed to be  Anti Kshatriya, there is in instance he prostrating before Ram in Ramayan. , again a Kshatriya. How come?  In Mahabharath, there is one more Parushuram who taught  Dhanurved to Bhishma, who again was a Kshatriya. So, there is no rhyme or reason in these stories and hence better thrown away as works of fiction. The characters in Puranas act whimsically and irrationally. Better these stories are rejected lock, stock, and barrel.  They cannot be quoted to deride the Hindus.
              But men like Zavier keep on flogging the dead horse. otherwise, they are unhappy
                   Vasu

On Thursday, 14 May, 2020, 07:54:07 pm IST, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

is a  video by Rajiv Malhothrablaming Christians and the British for all problems we face today and asserting that there was no caste in India until the British introduced it.
Here is my reply to it:
Lies, lies and more lies!! Rajiv Malhothra speaks of Christians trying to break up India with money from the West. My dear RM, who was financing the Khalistan movement from the West? 1.You say that caste is a construct by the British. However here at https://velivada.com/2017/05/31/casteist-quotes-verses-manusmriti-law-book-hindus/ are numerous verses from Manusmrithi which came thousands of years before the British which prescribes caste discrimination 2. A huge lie perpetrated by the Sannghis is that caste wasz created by the British while there was only Varrna in ancient India. However Parasuram killed the Kshatriyas 21 times over as revenge for the kshatriyas killing his father., In the process Parasuram killed even pregnant Kshatrriya women and the fetuses therein. How did Parasuram find the Varna of women and unborn children if Varna is determined by merits and abilities? 3. Sambuk was conducting pujas and so he was a Brahmin by Varna. But Ram chopped of his head because Sambuk was a Sudra by birth who was conducting poojas agsainst Vedic laws. So dear RM, you are an educated man with many science degrees to your credit. Such irrational outbursts as you make without any evidence to justify your cock and bull stories do not become a man of your caliber.

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[www.keralites.net] Re: [indiathinkersnet] Reply to Rajiv Malhothra

 

There were many obnoxious practices like human sacrifice, slavery, circumcision, caste etc which may have been considered normal in ancient times in all societies. I aslo think that we should not judge ancient societies by modern laws. Thus I have nothing against caste or religion or violence in ancient societies. What I object to is people like Malhothra blaming other ancient civilizations and their obnoxious practices and trying to gloss over ancient Veddic practices such as caste and violence by blaming others such as the British for caste.
My ancestors lived in a violent world and so did the vedic ancestors. But slandering my ancestors and glorifying Vedic ancestors for identical actions is not civilized especially for a well educated man like RM.
But Sanghis like

On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 20:27, Hridaykant Dewan hardydewan@yahoo.com [indiathinkersnet] <indiathinkersnet@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Maybe he means there was no protest and awareness about caste discrimination before British came
They made the dalits and untouchables conscious of their rights and then everyone had to be aware of the discrimination and the caste 
Otherwise he should know the great Manu and his well known verse if nothing else
Hriday Kant


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is a  video by Rajiv Malhothrablaming Christians and the British for all problems we face today and asserting that there was no caste in India until the British introduced it.
Here is my reply to it:
Lies, lies and more lies!! Rajiv Malhothra speaks of Christians trying to break up India with money from the West. My dear RM, who was financing the Khalistan movement from the West? 1.You say that caste is a construct by the British. However here at https://velivada.com/2017/05/31/casteist-quotes-verses-manusmriti-law-book-hindus/ are numerous verses from Manusmrithi which came thousands of years before the British which prescribes caste discrimination 2. A huge lie perpetrated by the Sannghis is that caste wasz created by the British while there was only Varrna in ancient India. However Parasuram killed the Kshatriyas 21 times over as revenge for the kshatriyas killing his father., In the process Parasuram killed even pregnant Kshatrriya women and the fetuses therein. How did Parasuram find the Varna of women and unborn children if Varna is determined by merits and abilities? 3. Sambuk was conducting pujas and so he was a Brahmin by Varna. But Ram chopped of his head because Sambuk was a Sudra by birth who was conducting poojas agsainst Vedic laws. So dear RM, you are an educated man with many science degrees to your credit. Such irrational outbursts as you make without any evidence to justify your cock and bull stories do not become a man of your caliber.

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[www.keralites.net] Reply to Rajiv Malhothra

 

is a  video by Rajiv Malhothrablaming Christians and the British for all problems we face today and asserting that there was no caste in India until the British introduced it.
Here is my reply to it:
Lies, lies and more lies!! Rajiv Malhothra speaks of Christians trying to break up India with money from the West. My dear RM, who was financing the Khalistan movement from the West? 1.You say that caste is a construct by the British. However here at https://velivada.com/2017/05/31/casteist-quotes-verses-manusmriti-law-book-hindus/ are numerous verses from Manusmrithi which came thousands of years before the British which prescribes caste discrimination 2. A huge lie perpetrated by the Sannghis is that caste wasz created by the British while there was only Varrna in ancient India. However Parasuram killed the Kshatriyas 21 times over as revenge for the kshatriyas killing his father., In the process Parasuram killed even pregnant Kshatrriya women and the fetuses therein. How did Parasuram find the Varna of women and unborn children if Varna is determined by merits and abilities? 3. Sambuk was conducting pujas and so he was a Brahmin by Varna. But Ram chopped of his head because Sambuk was a Sudra by birth who was conducting poojas agsainst Vedic laws. So dear RM, you are an educated man with many science degrees to your credit. Such irrational outbursts as you make without any evidence to justify your cock and bull stories do not become a man of your caliber.

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[www.keralites.net] Re: [aryayouthgroup] Re: [TheBecoming] Re: CONGRESS AND HINDUISM DESTROYING OUR CULTURAL RELIGIOUS HERITAGE

 

Instead of sermonizing for so long on the Vedas please cite a few verses from the Vedas which shores up your claims. Just as the goodness of the pudding is in the eating, the credibility of your claims lie in your evidence for the claims.
In Rig Veda We  the top god Brahma raping his own daughter and having sex with his grand-daughter. (Rig-Veda 10-61-7)
There are such outrageous acts in all Scriptures - Vedas, Bible, Illiyad etc. So first read your Vedas before you make outrageous claims about them.
Sanghis boast that the Vedas constitute the most ancient literature in the world. Pl cite evidence.


On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 14:22, vasudeva rao vasu_aryasri@yahoo.co.in [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 



On Monday, 11 May, 2020, 09:44:56 pm IST, vasudeva rao <vasu_aryasri@yahoo.co.in> wrote:



Sir
        To define who is Hindu is very complicated.  People who believe in Vedas are to be treated as  Hindus although the term Hindu does not occur either in Vedas or in any Sanskrit literature.  Swami Dayanand of   Aryasamaj called upon the Hindus to identify themselves as Aryas meaning great. Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists are not Vedic but do not object to the word  Arya meaning great. Even today the traditional Hindu Swamis like Shankaracharyas do not call themselves Hindus but pride themselves as Sanatanis meaning belonging to Sanathana Dharma.
       On the practical side, Dayanand's insistence to accept  Vedas may bring some coherence to denote who are Hindus[ meaning Aryas.]
Veer  Savarkar after understanding confusion prevailing in describing who is Hindu said in a Sanskrit Sloka that whoever considers  India as their motherland and holy land could be considered as  Hindus, This definition includes Jains, Sikhs, and Buddhists besides the traditional Hindus as being Hindus. This excludes Christians, and Muslims from being considered as Hindus
  unfortunately this wholesome suggestion  has not been accepted even by R.S.S. They club all including Muslims as Christians as Hindus further confusing the issue
               Vedas are the oldest  literature of the mankind. It is thoroughly rational and human, We should not mind some banterings from men like Sri  Zavier as he reads only colored versions doled out by anti-Hindu forces.  Sri Zavier stubbornly refuses to read the Vedic meanings given by men like  Dayanand, who has explained the glory of Vedas in his outstanding books like  " Satyarth Prakash",  "Introduction to Vedas"  commentary on  Yajurveda in full and partly on Rigveda.  Sri Zavier must also go through these books besides  Hindu bashing books brought out by forces inimical to Hindus if he means impartial.
 11.5.20                                                                     Vasu  
 


On Monday, 11 May, 2020, 08:20:15 am IST, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Exactly who and what is a Hindu? What exactly is your heritage?
The Vedas were written and the Vedic culture evolved on the Sindhu basin now in Pakistan. The direct descends of that heritage and culture are Muslim Pakistanis. What is more later on most vedic Hindus converted to Buddhism under Asoka and then converted back to Hinduism later on. So what exactly is this heritage you are crowing about all the time?

On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 22:42, Deva Sarran Samaroo devasamaroo@hotmail.com [TheBecoming] <TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Sharmaji

I need to download this time to circulate same wider as Rahul Gandhi is on a foot path with his FORIEGN FUNDED ADVISORS. Need to remind Rahul of what they were planning.  Need some members of parliament emails addresses

Deva


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I agree.

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Reminding every one from this extract from my earlier post how Sonia Gandhi and Congress are hell bent on destroying Hindus.


IT IS HIGH TIME THAT ALL HINDUS REMIND THEMSELVES OF WHAT PRESENT CONGRESS AND SONIA GANDHI ARE ABOUT. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PERSONAL ANIMOSITY WITH THEM BUT I AM JUST PRESENTING THE FACTS TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE AND ABILITY.


Most of the Hindus in India do not realize that, but for Modi Ji's win in 2014, they came within inches of being totally tramped into the ground, in ways much worse than in Aurangzeb times by Congress and a committee headed by Sonia Gandhi, all of whose members hated Hindus.


This was also their attempt to keep in power forever, assuming that Hindus will always be divided, so they were trying to please their voting blocks using Hindus as a fodder.


For many years, Sonia Gandhi and the Congress were drafting a bill (mislabeled innocent looking "Communal Violence  Bill"), that would have made the  Hindus the most horribly tortured slaves.


The reason people do not know this is because Congress wanted to present the bill in 2013 winter session but, fortunately, because of opposition from BJP and some other parties, Congress ran out of time. So, people did not see the bill and do not know about it. Also, fortunately, Modi Ji and BJP won and this went out of radar but it is still in the veins of Congress and IT IS OUR SACRED DUTY TO NEVER LET THE ELECTORATE FORGET.


• For a detailed analysis of the bill, please see our white paper on the subject at the Dropbox link at the end. This was posted on the official BJP site in 2013. I heard that parts of it were used in the Parliament discussions against this bill but I have no official confirmation.

• ALTHOUGH THE ACTUAL BILL IS FAR WORSE, SOME PROVISIONS ARE LISTED BELOW:


The bill would have been effective going all the way back to 1950. Very conveniently, the bill was not applicable in J&K as Hindus are minority there and would have benefitted.        
                                                                                                                               
• Whenever, there are riots, it will be presumed that these are started by Hindus regardless of who started it. Only Hindus will be jailed with non-bailable warrants.
Any one from Muslim, Christian or SC/ST group can bring a charge against any Hindu—without evidence and without revealing his or her identity.


• The accused Hindu shall have to be immediately arrested as all offences under this bill are non- bailable and cognizable.


•     This law can be invoked only by a minority against Hindus.


•     The accused Hindu shall not be informed as to who has complained against him but the police have to inform the complainant about the progress of the case.


•     A minority is not required to give any evidence to support his complaints against Hindus.


.      Within a month, the property of the Hindu will be seized and given to complainant.


.      A minority cannot be punished for making even false complaints/ statements against Hindus.


•      A Hindu refusing to do business with any minority shall be immediately arrested [Sec 3 (f) (i)]. Taking advantage of such anti – Hindu laws, a minority can force a Hindu to sell /rent his property and even surrender his daughters to minorities.


•      The occurrence of organized communal and targeted violence under this act shall amount to an  internal disturbance in a state within the meaning of Article 355 entitling the central government to impose President's Rule. Easy way for Muslims/Christians or SC/ST, to have a state government, they do not like, dissolved.


•      Hate propaganda is an offence against minority community and not otherwise.


ETC. ETC. ETC.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6agpfe71y7hsrpk/White%20Paper%20on%20Communal%20Violence%20Bill_A%20Report%20by%20OFBJP%20USA%20Media%20Team.docx?dl=0

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Anand Sharma 


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Subject: Re: CONGRESS AND HINDUISM DESTROYING OUR CULTURAL RELIGIOUS HERITAGE
 
You are confused and dilatory . Congress is Hindu platform was raised to be so by its British patrons and deployed as the Hindu camp to bid for partition . What is your culture ? There is no such culture as Hindu . Let us know where Hibduism is mentioned in any Sanskrit text Ramayan or Gita ? Or Vedas . So pl stop misleading people. If you have a strong point meet Shah or Modi ask them to salvage Hinduism
Chauhan    

On Sat, 9 May, 2020, 23:33 Deva Sarran Samaroo, <devasamaroo@hotmail.com> wrote:
HOW CONGRESS WANTED TO DESTROY RAM SETU  CLAIMING SHRI RAM NEVER EXISTED
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THE SECULAR LIBERALISTS CLAIMING PEADEOPHILE MOHAMMED EXISTED AND HE SPEAKS TO GOD KNOW AS ALLAH WHO COMMANDS HIM SO THAT CATHOLIC CHRISTIAN LIKE SONIA MAINO GANDHI CAN ACT TO DESTROY ALL NON BELIEVERS IN INDIA AND HINDUISM WILL NO LONGER EXISTS THEN WE WILL MAKE HER ONE OF OUR 72 VIRGINS IN ALLAH ROOM 

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