Sunday 30 August 2020

[www.keralites.net] Re: [TheBecoming] Varna and Jaati

 

This is all Sanghi shit!
Caste and tribe discrimination is part and parcel of the Vedic systems which were adopted by Dasyus and other tribes of India. Now Sanghis have brought in the concept of Varna to wash their hands off all the sordid crimes committed in the name of caste.
In my childhood 65 years ago all were called by their caste names. Christians and Muslims were called with the subtitle Moppila attached. Similarly Nairs were called by their caste name appended such as chandu nair. Ezhavas were called with the name Chokan appended, gold smiths were called Thattan, Black smiths were called kollan and so forth. In short every man had a caste name attached and it stuck to him and his children till death. I have never known a man from a lower caste changing his status to an upper caste and vice versa. In fact there are political groups like the SNDP, NSS, KPMS and other organizations and they represent caste - and not Varna and I have never known a member of the KPMS which represents the scheduled castes member to be accepted into the NSS or SNDP or other groups which represents the non-scheduled group.
Then there is the question of women. In the past most women from the non-scheduled castes seldom did any professional work. If so, what was their varna? What was their caste?
Manusmrithi narrates how the different castes were born from the different parts of Brahma. It doesnt mention any Varna nonsense. 
Then there is a verse from Manusmrithi which states clearly that an eighty year old Kshatrriya should behave respectfully to a eight-year old Brahmin. How could an eight-year old have any Varna?
Parasuram goes around slaughtering Kashatriyas including women and unborn children. How did Parsuram determine the varna of those women and their unborn foetuses?
So Tilak. Do not think that all your readers are fools. And dont try to whitewash Sanghi politics with nonsense such as Varna and caste.



On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 at 23:35, mgupta@rogers.com [TheBecoming] <TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Varna and Jaati

 

Here is an excerpt 'Varna and Jati' out of the note 'Dharma and Hinduism."

                 Usually 'Varna and Jati' system is given as negative and as part of Dharma. That is not true. Varna and Jati are two separate issues. And both Varna and Jati are social issues, not Dharma (Satya & Yoga). We need to understand them clearly, before passing judgement. Varna (Brahman, Chhetriya, Vaishya & Shudra) comes from Gurukul discipline, and is not hereditary. Jati (Bahun, Newar, Gurung, Chhetri, Rai, Tamang, Yadav, Raute, Bishwakarma etc.) comes from cultural affinities, extended families, strength in number and professional associations. Jati is a mobile term changing as per changing social norms.

               The Varna and Jati describe the superficial differences as per individual motivations, deeds and cultures. It deals with natural vertical and horizontal differentiations as in any societies, with due recognition of Dharma 'inner nature.' Otherwise, all humanity is fundamentally equal, and the inner core (soul) is divine. All the humanity is one big family, 'Vashudhaiwa Kutumbakam.'

 A. Varna: It is according to human motivations and inculcated culture.

I. Shudra: It is the common people. It is not born to lower status. At birth everybody is a Shudra, regardless of the parent. Shudra are cart maker, farmers, potters, engineers, doctors and of all the professions. In ancient-times usually individuals learn their trades from their parents. The 'Atharva Veda' is the collection of technical subjects like engineering. Bulk of the society were Shudra – common people.

                     Dwija (holistic transformation): Everybody is born Shudra. Only after going through the Gurukul discipline and transformation, one becomes Dwija (twice born, transformed). First birth comes from the parent. The second cultural birth comes after years of discipline in the Gurukul. In the Gurukul, the disciples are given the holistic training: Ethics, Dharma, Pranayam for good oxygen input, Hatha yoga – for physical health, Meditation – concentration and going within, mathematics, economics, business, political science, natural sciences, engineering, martial arts etc. After graduation from the Gurukul, they wear 'Janeu, Yagyopabit.' They are like college graduates today. They make only a small segment of the society. Due to their holistic transformation, ethics and skills; they are prized in the society.

                     Kung Fu is the Chinese equivalent of the Vedic holistic discipline. It is not just a fighting art, as movies may mislead to believe. Kung Fu is the practice and the study of 3 components: a. physical – martial arts, b. intellectual – Confucian analects, and c. spiritual – Lao Tzu's Tao te Ching. Pranayam and meditation are the parts of the discipline. Such disciplined individuals used to be employed by the Chinese Imperial Court as officials (Mandarin – Chinese, Mantri – Sankrit).  

                        Today, Gurukul discipline has become mere culture or symbolic 'Bratabandha.' In the Bratabandha ceremony, we may see all the process given symbolically and then Janeu (nakkali \ fake certificate) conferred.

                      Varna is not hereditary or by birth.. Here are a few well known examples. Maharishis or Brahmans from Dalit parent: Vyas (author of Mahabharat, Nepal), Parasar (father of Vyas, Nepal), Balamiki (author of Ramayana), Vashistha (Guru of Ram), Aitareya (author of Aitareya Brahman and Aitareya Upanishad), Ailush (made important commentaries on Veda). Brahmans from Chhetriya parent: Biswamitra, Agnivesh, Rathotar, Haarit, Shaunak, etc. On the other hand, Ravana born to Brahman parent became Rakshyasa by his motivation and deeds.

                     The 'Dwija' group further differentiates, as per motivation and lifestyles, into Vaishya, Chhetriya and Brahman Varnas. It is also to recognize that power comes from three sources – wealth, arms and knowledge, and that they may be used for good or bad. King Janak (Raja Rishi, Nepal) had all the three powers and used for good. On the other hand, Ravana also had all but misused. Thus, Rishis Bhrigu and Bhargava argued for the necessity of inculcating good values, separation of powers and restrictions.

              II. Vaishya: The motivation is prosperity. They are the entrepreneurs, farmers, engineers etc., the economic base of the society. They are evaluated by their contributions (Daan, charity) to the society, not personal gains. We make pati, kuwa, dhunge dhara, free clinics, give alms etc. Bhanu Bhakta sang about the old and poor grass cutter who was digging a well as his charity. Ancient legends like Bali and Karna are still remembered. Our legends include Shakhwal, who paid and freed everybody of debt, at least for one day. This event initiated Nepal Sambat or Nepal calendar. The first day of the calendar is October 20, 879 AD. Today, we may consider individuals like Bill Gates, Carnegie, Rockefeller with billions of dollars charity as great Vaishyas.

            III. Chhetriya: The motivation is honor, upholding truth and justice, protecting weak, and commitment to fight injustice. They are the warriors against foreign attacks and administrators for inner order. In Mahabharat, Krishna reminded Arjun his inner nature and commitment to fight injustice, even if the opponents happen to be his own family. Samurais and Knights may be considered Chhetriyas in different cultural settings. Chhetriyas usually inculcate martial spirit. Since, arms may be misused if the judgement is impaired, Chhetriyas are restricted from alcohol and required to listen to Brahmans. The 'Parashuram Avatar' is the study that military power must be guided by wise and learned people. Both Mahatma Gandhi and Subhas Chandra Bose are Chhetriyas who fought the injustice in different ways. Our legends include martyr Ganga Lal. He fought for democracy and became martyr at the age of 21 and left a recently married and pregnant wife behind. The autocratic Rana regime gave him the choice, "Just acknowledge fighting for democracy is wrong and say 'Biraye – sorry', and you will be spared." But he chose martyrdom and be example for others.

IV. Brahman: The motivation is knowledge and spirituality (Adhyatma). Earlier Brahmans are also the purveyor of knowledge base, memory to memory. Vedic mantras are memorized and passed from Guru to Disciples and explained (Upanishad). Mantras are given in concentrated form for memorization and need proper explanation. Thus, free interpretations without Gurukul training is discouraged. Because Brahmans are the knowledge base, they are respected, and security is provided. Hatya (murder) is a crime, but Brahma hatya is much heinous. The royalty and the army must listen to Brahmans. On the other hand, potential of misusing knowledge is also recognized, and certain restrictions are placed: alcohol (impairs judgement), meat (violence), gold & jewelry (greed, ego) and urban living (distractions). A Brahman is expected to live a simple vegetarian life, stay away from luxury and city life, and spend life in pursuit of knowledge and spirituality, meditation and teaching.  

               Brahman is defined as 'Brahman nayati iti brahmin – preacher of spiritual teachings and living spiritual life', 'Adanto Brahmano sadhu – who has control of self', 'Brahman shya shrutam malam – knowledgeable of Veda', 'Brahma bide Brahman – who has realized Brahma', On the other hand, 'Chatur Vedopi durabrita sa sudradatirichyate -   a learned Brahman not holding ethics is a lowest creature.'

The concept of Varna is not relevant to the core-self of a person. And it applies only within the social frame work, that is only to the people abiding by the social norm 'Sansari.' If a person leaves the norm of society, become inner directed and practice unattachment, then the person is 'Bairagi.' The Varna concept does not apply to them. They take on the name like 'Swami', 'Ananda', 'Acharya' and 'Maharaj.' That means the person is the master of inner self, joyous, teacher and Lord of self, e.g. Swami Vivekananda (born Narendra Nath Datta).  

B. Jati: It is groupings according to cultural affinity, extended family, strength in number and professional association. It may be due to: 1. Geography \ tribe: Gurung, Tamang, etc., 2. Patterned after Varna: Bahun, Chhetri etc., 3. Profession: Tamrakar (copper smith), Malakar (florist) etc., and 4. Politics: Closeness to the center of power.  

             Jati system is good that it allows different Jati 'cultural groups' to live together harmoniously. Each Jati defines their own norms and practices without hampering others. You may read the history of different Kings and states fighting, but not by Jati. You would not see Tamang army attacking Chhetris, or Rai army attacking Dalits. In other regions, different cultural groups always fight to dominate, and one dominant culture remains. Thus, Nepal remains the Kaleidoscope of many Jatis (over 125) and languages (over a dozen). The diversity is the sign of healthy and free society. A dictated and controlled society will be theocratic monoculture.

The genius of our system is that our society does not merely look at the wealth and power, but also to knowledge and spirituality, and put them above others. We must be aware of and promote this positive side. On the other hand, we also must work to promote marginalized groups.

               Jati groupings are contextual. In Nepal, we are Bahuns, Chhetri, Gurung etc. In India, we all are Nepali Jati. In Europe we, including Indian and Chinese, are Asian. On the other end, among Bahuns we have Purbia, Kumai, Maithili etc.  Jati is not race. We all (Bahun, Newar, Biswakarma, Tamang, Gurung, Yadav etc.) are different shades of mongoloid group. Khasa people, like Indian Rajputs, are from Khashgar, central Asian region who adopted Vedic culture later. 'Arya' is not race but 'cultured - Vedic.' We call ourselves Arya 'cultured.' The antonym 'Anarya' and related term 'Mlechha – foreigner' are not necessarily derogatory. Anarya and Mleccha like Mahatma Sukrat 'Socrates'or Mahatma Arastu 'Aristotle' are always respected.

                  Jati is not Dharma. We all go to all the temples and celebrate all the festivals Dasain, Tihar, Buddha Jayanti, Shiva ratri etc. We learn as best we can from all the Dharmas – Shaiva, Bauddha, Vaishnav, Tantra, Sikh, Jain etc. Hinduism is the collection of all the Dharmas evolved in our region, and we all are Hindus. The original Dharma of Nepalese of Tibetan origin is Bon Po, which is Shiva Dharma. Kirati Mundhum also is Shiva Dharma. The 'Ajima – Grandmother goddess' of Kathmandu comes from Bon Po. The unity of the three main branches of Hinduism 'Buddha, Nilkantha - Shiva, and Narayan' is given in our temple in Kathmandu, which we lovingly call 'Budha Nilkantha Narayan.'

            Jati Problem:  Jati system is about differences, not inequality. However, there is the perception that Jati promotes social inequality. The Jati factors of geography, emulating Varna and professions do not create problems. However, the Jati formed around the factor of 'proximity to political power' does create inequality. It creates problems like cronyism (Natabad). It is due to social factors of education, wealth and political connections. Society assigns status to these factors. Thus, the solution is also the same, i.e. the better opportunities in education, jobs \ business and inclusive politics to all, especially marginalized groups.

Mere self-importance without power is of no consequences. There are tribes in Africa who keeps bones in the nose as the mark of superiority. It does not bother us.. American President is not bothered either by the superior Jati in Nepal.

The problem is not Dharma, and there is no divine authority assigning status at the birth. Matter of fact, Dharma emphasizes 'ethics' and helps in mitigating the problem. Let me paraphrase Dr. ML King Jr., "Let content of the character, not the surname, be the measure of a person."

              In general, Jati is not a relevant issue in society, but tend to influence marriages and voting patterns. It is considered better to marry within own culture and in electing a leader. However, both issues are breaking down with urbanization and education. Among educated and professional urbanites, the cross-Jati marriage is becoming norm than exceptions. The Jatiya voting pattern also disappears when politicians articulate correct nationalist and development agenda. Let us do some thought experiments with the assumption that Bahun is higher than Chhetri. If a Bahun does not want to marry a Chhetri, it is his \ her personal choice. Why anybody needs to complain? If a Bahun man may marry only Bahun girl, and if a Chhetri man may marry either a Bahun or a Chhetri girl, Chhetri man has the advantage. Suppose, there is a handsome Bahun, a simple Bahun girl, a simpleton Chhetri man and a gorgeous Chhetri girl. If we have no Jati perception, then most probably the handsome Bahun would marry the gorgeous Chhetri girl. And the other two simpletons have each other. But because of the Jati system, the Bahun has to marry the simple Bahun girl. The low ranking and simpleton Chhetri man will be profusely thanking God and happy with the gorgeous girl. That is, the system throws in complications, not hand out benefits.

Bahun: Take the case of Bahun Jati. Bahun culture emphasizes education, and thus they tend to move in with ease in administration, teaching and leadership positions. Forget all the ignorant propaganda, it is not due to often quoted Manu Smriti, "Brahmans came from head, Chhetriya came from hand, .." Manu Smriti did not create Jati system, but merely descried existing society symbolically. First, the text is 'Smriti' not 'Shruti.' That is, it is only a musing of a small group of scholars. Second, it is describing Varna, not Jati. It is looking at the society as a person and classifying intelligentsia symbolically as the head. Third, Manu Smriti is written only two millennia ago, whereas the Varna and Jati system were formed many millennia before Manu Smriti.

            'Newar' group is not a Jati, but a composite culture. Newar group consists of all the different Jatis like Bahun, Chhetri, Dalit, Janajati etc. including immigrants from both north and south.

Dalit: In the other end, we also have the 'Dalit - untouchable' issue. There was no Jati system or Dalit issue in the ancient times, but developed later. It is due to social stigma attached to professions of scavenger, janitor, executioner and undertaker. In one hand, there is less competition and job security. But it also comes with stigma attached to the community. Its solution is the same – education, job diversification and inclusive politics.

Conclusion \ Varna \ Jati:

We must understand our heritage, be proud of our positives and work to ameliorate negatives.

We are proud of our diverse cultures and languages. The diversity is the sign of healthy and free society. A dictated and controlled society will be theocratic monoculture.

The genius of our system is in recognizing Ethics and Spirituality superior to Arms and Wealth.

                  Today, we all are equal citizens of the democratic nation. The motto is 'Vashudhaiwa Kutumbakam – world is one family.'

         Our school curriculum should also include - Ethics, Dharma, Pranayam, Hatha yoga, Kung Fu and other subjects for both inner and outer holistic progress.  

             The diversity also has generated a degree of inequality. The root cause is differences in education, wealth, geography and access to the political decision making. Thus, the solution remains better education, jobs \ businesses and inclusive politics for all, especially for marginalized groups.

         We also must not give in to ignorant propaganda, and wary of others using our diversity as sticks to attack our heritages, especially by Communism and Christianity. Maoists like to mislead by equating Jatis as Marxist Classes. Churches like to mislead by defining Dharma merely as Jati system.

             We all are born Shudra – common humanity. Each of us may strive for prosperity, honor and spirituality, in different degrees, as per the individual interests. That is each of us can simultaneously be Vaishya, Chhetriya and Brahman; or none. King Janak was.

        It is also recognized that wealth, arms and education are powers, which may be used for good or for bad. King Janak had all and used for good. Ravana also had all, but abused, and was killed by Ram as Rakshasha.  

King Janak was a good farmer and developed new ploughing technique. He also was a great warrior and a scholar (Rajarshi). He kept peace in his kingdom and conducted scholarly debates under the guide of Rishi Astabakra. Janak saw the power of 'wealth, arms and education' in his hand as the 'Responsibility', not a means to self-gratification. Janak proclaimed, "Nothing is mine, not even my body - Bideh."  

From: Tilak Shrestha <tilakbs@hotmail.com>
Sent: February 11, 2020

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There is no CASTE in Hinduism. It is a Missionary word from latin.

Yes, JAATI and VARNA. 

Jaati:  These are millions year old tribal group names for JAATI, like Shisodaria Rajput, Chandat Lauva Patidar. 

Varna:   and profession name like Soni, Luhar, Dhobi, Khedut, Mochi software engineer, safety inspector etc..

On Saturday, 18 January 2020, Harilal Patel <harilalp@yahoo.com>

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Caste is based on occupation(profession) but not on work

         Dhobi, charriat driver, etc. mentioned in the Valmeeki Ramayan are professions.  These professions were prevalent at that time.  That does not mean it is part of a caste system.  For example, Sumantra, Dasharath's favorite minister was also his chariot driver.  Eventually the professions which made more money became the upper caste and the poor became the lower caste..  Did you know that Sumitra, Dashrath's second wife belonged to the Vaishya system?  It is mentioned in Valmeeki Ramayan. 

I have worked in all kinds of jobs, as a cleaning person, a dish washer in a restaurant, etc. etc. when I had no jobs.  That does not mean I am a sudra or lower caste to be ignored.  Sure India has a stupid caste system.  But that was part of the wrong interpretation of the scriptures.  In every country in the world, the Priests hold a higher position, irrespective of religion.  Then comes the powerful army.  The merchants hold power due to their wealth, and at the end, it is the working class.  Tell me which country does not have these four varnas?  Our problem is that people exploited these varnas and made it into a caste determined by birth.  Children of many families who did low income jobs are now doctors and lawyers holding high positions.  Unfortunately, they are still treated, not based on their profession, but based on the caste their forefathers had.  

'MrCMVikram.' CMVikram@gmail.com;

WHICH CASTE ARE YOU?

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On Saturday, 18 January 2020, Deva Sarran Samaroo devasamaroo@hotmail.com; wrote:

              I am a Medical doctor also retired CARDIO THORACIC INVOLVED IN THE FIRST HEART TRANSPLANT. FIRST HEART LUNG TRANSPLANT, FIRST HEART LUNG LIVER TRANSPLANT, FIRST DIAPHRAM TRANSPLANT, FIRST PIGGY BACK CARDIOPLASTY TRANSPLANT, FIRST BABOON-CHILD KIDNEY FILTRATION SYSTEM IN UK.

I do not show my ignorance. I am Hindu Vedic Priest also. 

AS a devout Hindu it is my duty to discus issues that affects my HINDU SOCIETY AND MORE SO MY DHARTI MA KNOWN AS MOTHER INDIA HINDUSTAN.

NO WHERE IN VALMIKI RAMAYAN CASTE IS DISCUSSED WHERE IT IS MENTIONED IS VARNIC CLASSIFICATION. 

THERE ARE 4 VEDAS AND 42 ANU VEDAS ALL DEALS WITH VARIOUS SUBJECT MATTERS RELATED TO DHARMA, GOVERNING PRINCIPLES OF SOCIETY AND COUNTRY NO WHERE CASTE IS MENTIONED.

           THERE ARE 42 CHAPTERS OF THE MAHABHARATA NO WHERE CASTE IS MENTIONED 

OUT IF THAT 42 CHAPTERS 18 CHAPTERS IS THE BHAGWAT GITA. ( NOT BHAGWAT PURAN)

THE BHAGWAT GITA IS DIVIDED INTO THREE SECTION OF 6 CHAPTERS EACH 5 CHAPTERS OF EACH DEALS GYAN, BHAKTI N KARMA. ONE CHARPTER OF EACH IF THE SECTIONS DEALS WITH PURE PHILOSOPHY OF LIFE.

NOW ANYONE MAY ASK WHY 42 CHAPTERS IN MAHABHARTA AND 42 ANU VEDAS. ORIGINALLY IN THOUSAND YEARS BC THERE WERE 42 KNOWN ENEGY MATERIAL PRINCIPLES OF MOTHER EARTH.

             SECONDLY THAT IS WHY 42 INGREDIENTS MAKE UP SAMAGRI USED IN HINDU RITUALS. 

WHY 18 CHAPTERS OF THE BHAGWAT GITA THAT IS 3X5 PANCH THATWAS X 3 GUNAS RAJO, THAMO, SATHO GUNAS == 18.

              AND AS ONE PERSON CLAIMING THAT YOU ALL MAY BE CHRISTIAN BY BELIEVES POSING WITH HINDU NAMES. IF YOU ARE -- THEN LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT CHRISTIANITY WHY DID JOSEPH RAPE MARY AT AGE 15 THEN GIVE BIRTH TO CHRIST. YOU CALL IT VIRGIN BIRTH THAT MEANS INVITRIO FERTILIZATION.

         WHEN BIBLE SAY FOR 14 YEARS CHRIST WAS LEARNING CARPENTRY WITH FATHER JOSEPH WHEREAS HE WAS IN INDIA LEANING HINDUISM BUDDHISM AND YOGA.

READ THE HIDDEN YEARS OF JESUS THE CHRIST, CHRIST LIVED IN INDIA. ALL WRITTEN BY WHITE CHRISTIAN PEOPLE

DEVA

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एक हिंदुका सबसे अधिक दुश्मन दूसरा  हिंदू ही हो सकता है। 

जितने भी हिंदुओं की मुसलमनोने कत्तले आम किए जैसे मोपला, नौखाली, कलकत्तागांधी जी ने कभी भी मुसलमान को दोषी नहीं ठहराया। 

हिंदुओ की यही समस्या रही है वो आपसमे ही लढ सकते है। 

हिंदू जात पात, भाषा, प्रांत एवं में इतना बटा हुआ है उसे मुसलमान और क्रिस्चन ही भाई समान लगता है। एक हज़ार वर्षों की ग़ुलामी रगोमे है तो मोदी और अमित तो छोड़ो, तिलक, सावरकर, सुभासहचंद्र बोस भी देश के दुश्मन लगते है।  

हमारी मानसिकता ही ग़ुलामी में रहने से हुई है। से समाज को ईश्वर भी मदत नहीं कर सकते। 

डॉक्टर। अंबेकर Dr. Madhukar Ambekar <drmnambekar@yahoo..co.uk>; Friday, January 24, 2020

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           Appeal to Hinduus to abolish the caste system. It is the people not the rules of government which can remove caste system

             Do we have wars between Jatis? Don't Muslims have wars between Shia vs. Shunni? How about between Catholics and Protestants? 

It is only natural to have different opinions and cultures. Thus, we should not seek forced uniformity, but allow differences and then unity among diversity. Let different Jatis do their own thing but unite for the nation. Why Punjabi should dance like Bengali? But then why Bihari and Madrasi can't work together as engineers? 

Islamic\Christian societies are enforced uniformity. There is no freedom. It is totalitarian. That is, they have to believe and obey as told. Such uniformity goes only so far, but always leads to friction within and without. You may study European and Middle eastern histories.

Jati system is about appreciating and celebrating multi-culture. The problem is inequality as per some Jatis going up the social ladder and some going down. This social movement is not due to Dharma but due to social empowerment factors - education, job\wealth, and political leadership. Thus, the solution is also the same social issues. That is to make access easy to these factors. 

Let me cite an example of so called 'Dalit' issue. First, we don't have 'Dalit.' It is a recent politically charged word. The issue came due to the job specialization of scavengers, janitors, and undertakers\executioners. The jobs come with social stigma. In one hand, it has less competition and more revenue. But on the other hand, it carries social stigma. Stigma is not exploitation, but of perception. They don't work free. The solution of this social problem remains same: education, job diversification and inclusive politics.

Tilak 

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War between Jatis

Do we have wars between Jatis? Don't Muslims have wars between Shia vs. Shunni? How about between Catholics and Protestants? 

It is only natural to have different opinions and cultures. Thus, we should not seek forced uniformity, but allow differences and then unity among diversity. Let different Jatis do their own thing but unite for the nation. Why Punjabi should dance like Bengali? But then why Bihari and Madrasi can't work together as engineers? 

Islamic\Christian societies are enforced uniformity. There is no freedom. It is totalitarian. That is, they have to believe and obey as told. Such uniformity goes only so far, but always leads to friction within and without. You may study European and Middle eastern histories.

Jati system is about appreciating and celebrating multi-culture. The problem is inequality as per some Jatis going up the social ladder and some going down. This social movement is not due to Dharma but due to social empowerment factors - education, job\wealth, and political leadership. Thus, the solution are also the same social issues. That is to make access easy to these factors. 

Let me cite an example of so called 'Dalit' issue. First, we don't have 'Dalit.' It is a recent politically charged word. The issue came due to the job specialization of scavengers, janitors, and undertakers\executioners. The jobs come with social stigma. In one hand, it has less competition and more revenue. But on the other hand, it carries social stigma. Stigma is not exploitation, but of perception. They don't work free. The solution of this social problem remains same: education, job diversification and inclusive politics.

 Tilak Shrestha <tilakbs@hotmail.com>;  Saturday, January 25, 2020

There is no untouchability VARNa / jaathi / caste designed because of GUNa, karma, like the other four. 

           Untouchability is mostly because of type of work / livelihood / profession, lack of physical cleanliness etc. and it has to be solved by enabling cleanliness and removing ignorance, not by unfairly scapegoating, not by making brahmins as the punching bags for everything that we might see as gone wrong in the history of india for a thousand years. 

                 Ritual cleanliness untouchability or MADi rules of brahmin priests etc.. is for enabling sacredness of body, mind, spirit of those persons involved in religious practices, ceremonies where sanctity of the poojas, sanctity of the ceremonies are considered important, and traditional rules are there to be followed, those priests etc. do not want to be touched, so we can say they are untouchable, so do not touch them, it is not about jathi / caste or it is not saying that the other people around them are inferior.

               Our jati system in Hindus is not supposed to breed contempt but a convenient tool for social sustenance.  It is true that there are no known battles between different jatis as is seen between Shia-Sunnis or Catholics- Protestants etc. Economic inequality is something we need to deal with politically without compromising on quality and merit.

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Soul is same for all. There is no caste or creed or religion for any soul.

The effect of Buddha was that Indian Rulers adopted Nonviolence as a dogma rather than an enlightened philosophy.

It is claimed that Ashoka the great adopting Buddhism was the direct cause of India's over 2000 years of slavery.

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Modi Jee\Shah Jee are trying to unite Bhaaratiya people. On the other hand, Mullahs and Missionaries to divide. A quick survey of their doctrines and histories might help. 

A. Dharma:

Vasundhaiva kutumbakam

Sarva dharma samabhava

Sarve apitu sukhino santu

B. Christianity:

Deuteronomy 12:2-3 Destroy other's temples and destroy images of their Gods.

John 14:6 Jesus is the only way. All non-Christians will go to hell.

Acts 4:12 There is no salvation in any other religions.

John 3:16-18 All non-Christians are condemned to hell already.

C. Islam:

1. Quran: Al Taubah (9 – 29): Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jaziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.

2. Ghazwa e Hind: Islam requires Muslims to attack Hindus..

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUqNNMhsYdo

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnzdmiZpEPw

D. Communism:

Dictatorship of proletariat class through the Communist party

Political power come from the barrels of gun

On Sunday, March 1, 2020, Tilak Shrestha <tilakbs@hotmail.com>;

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  हम हिन्दुओं की निरन्तर कम होती जा रही जनसंख्या से भी चिन्तित  विचलित होते हैं। समय समय पर टीवी पर भी इस विषय की चर्चा होती है। इसी कारण बहुत से देशभक्त देश में जनसंख्या नियंत्रण नीति की मांग भी करते हैं। सरकार के एजेण्डे में भी यह विषय  सम्मिलित है। अनेक मत तान्तरों के लोग येन केन प्रकारेण अपनी अपनी जनसंख्या  बढ़ा रहे हैं। कोई धर्मान्तर कर रहा है तो कोई अधिक सन्तानें उत्पन्न कर रहे हैं। इसके परिणाम क्या  होंगे हम आसानी से जान सकते हैं। ऐसा लगता है कि भविष्य में हम पुनः 

विधर्मियों से शासित होने पर मजबूर होंगेअभी समय है, परन्तु बिना जागे और तप, त्याग बलिदान किये हम वेदों वेदधर्म की रक्षा नहीं कर सकते। हम आर्यसमाज, सनातन धर्म और

आर्य समाज के विद्वानों तथा ऋषि दयानन्द के अनुयायियों से निवेदन करते हैं कि वह धर्म रक्षा की चुनौतियों पर विचार करें और धर्मरक्षा के उपाय करें। हमने केवल स्थिति

बताने सावधान करने के लिये निवेदन किया है। हमारा किसी से कोई राग द्वेष नहीं है परन्तु हम यह चाहते हैं कि  सभी सत्य का ग्रहण असत्य का परित्याग करें। मनु महाराज ने कहा है

कि जो धर्म की रक्षा करता है धर्म भी उसकी रक्षा करता है। जो धर्म की रक्षा नहीं करता धर्म भी उसकी रक्षा नहीं करता। मनु जी ने हमें सावधान भी किया है। उनके अनुसार धर्म की रक्षा करना

आवश्यक है अन्यथा धर्म की उपेक्षा करने वाले की उस उपेक्षित धर्म के द्वारा ही हत्या भी हो सकती है। ईश्वर से प्रार्थना है कि वह हमारे विद्वानों नेताओं को सद्बुद्धि प्रदान करे और उनको

धर्म रक्षा की प्रेरणा करें। ओ३म् शम्। 

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