Sunday, 14 June 2020

[] Re: [aryayouthgroup] Ishwar Nirakar Hai


There are people, especially youngsters, who can be swayed. But these rabid dogs are beyond cure. They are better dead than alive.

On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 10:17, sanjeev kulkarni [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:


I have been abused on various forums by "scholars" who
used foul language when they could not reply.  Some even
suggesting that "this bastard Sanjeev should have been
strangulated immediately after birth".  And he was 'defending'
Vedas!  If they do not have anything to answer and their holy
scriptures stand shattered, the only thing left for them to say
is "banish this fellow from the group, ignore him, teach him a 
lesson etc." In return, I ignore them and continue my writings.

Up to the age of 13, I was also like this as I unquestionably 
believed what was told to me.  But I continued to read and ask
the questions and never fooled myself.  I hope my writing will 
wake up at least one or two honest mean out of 100, who will see
the point and change.  1-2% success rate should be considered
very good in this world.  Fortunately, we are no more in the era
when scientists were poisoned for contradicting holy scriptures.
But many people wish they were when they read what I say.

I will continue my fight no matter how much abuse they dish out.


On Sunday, 14 June, 2020, 07:25:58 am IST, Xavier William [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:


There is no cure for rabies except death. Similarly fascists will never change their opinion. Even if they read something it is done only to confirm their rabies and not to find the various perspectives on any subject. So dont advise them. Go on hammering them with reason and show them how to conduct a proper dialogue instead of harping on their mad believes which have no evidence whatsoever. 

On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 at 23:10, sanjeev kulkarni [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:

Dear Amarnath ji,

Pls do not be afraid of changing your fond beliefs or whatever
is handed over to you from childhood as conventional
wisdom.  We have moved from stone age only because we
adopted what was proved and did not rely on our superstitions.
We no more consider lightening, floods, accidents as punishment
from god as the stone age people assumed.  Because now we
understand the scientific phenomenon behind every happening.

I have given you point-wise reply.  But you are going around
with personal issues like ego, accepting something etc. Keep
aside personalities and concentrate on the subject proper.
Read the list of 'fallacies of critical thinking' to start with and
sharpen your logical thinking ability.  It will liberate you.
The people on this forum cannot reply rationally and that is
why resort to abuse.  Have you seen any scientist abusing
Einstein because he modified Newtonian physics and made it
more accurate even at the speed of light?  Why you should
resot to abuse if someone comes up with different theory?
If you do not agree with it, just point out flaws in it with facts,
figures, logic, evidence and rational reasoning.  Personal 
attacks only show the intellectual shallowness of the person.

If you have any different story about the big bang, come up
with it and submit it to some scientific journal.  You will
understand where you stand.  


On Friday, 12 June, 2020, 10:35:20 pm IST, amarnath gupta [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:


Dear Sanjeev ji ,Namaste. I was bit busy . You have cleverly avoided saying-whether you too can have 
shortcoming of any type ! If this is not SUPER-EGO ,what is it . I like to know the person I like to talk to. Too many people around !

"Nothing is outside of the universe. " Depends how you define /understand Universe. I may /not agree with Your Definition . Learn to give some credit also,that wont make you small . I am not pontificating,only suggesting .

 You have not seen BIG Bang ! It is a hypothesis. If you are not a White-Supremacist ,what is the wisdom in not accepting -there could be other views on the creation . Do not read ,because you have 
a diabolical distaste - a sure sign of a bloated personality ! Do you sometime like to see a mirror ?  

On Friday, 12 June, 2020, 12:06:21 am IST, sanjeev kulkarni [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:


You have not said anything on my detailed reply.  Any


On Wednesday, 10 June, 2020, 11:19:44 pm IST, amarnath gupta [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:


It seems you have become habituated and inebriated with your KNOWLEDGE and pride . Soon all that
may be undone ! Time has powerfuL HANDS . Off with you bloated balloon . Empty vessel sounds much !

On Wednesday, 10 June, 2020, 10:59:25 pm IST, sanjeev kulkarni [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:


Stick with the subject and discuss specific points if you have
something to say on that.  Talking about ego, pride, too
much of anything etc. are personal matters and not the subject
of discussion.  This is called fallacy of critical thinking. 


On Wednesday, 10 June, 2020, 03:20:20 pm IST, amarnath gupta [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:


Dear, I did not expect you to equate me with a boy in Madarsa . This is height of insolence-only shows your ego  & false pride in so-called knowledge -which you want to arrogantly display ! How can we discuss in such a situation! 

"If anything existed ,scientists would have investigated " . Think-- Is there no scope of any investigation in future . This amounts to saying -there is no future. TOO much EGO -Sanjeev . Cut it out . Do that , please. TOO MUCH OF EVERYTHING IS BAD .

On Wednesday, 10 June, 2020, 03:01:04 pm IST, sanjeev kulkarni [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:


There are two types of short-comings.  One, what you
have understood is flawed due to faulty methods and
unsubstantiated assumptions, combined with super-
stations and wishful thinking passed as 'wisdom'-
is one type.  

Second, is what you have understood by experimentation
and other scientific validations but there is a gap between 
what we have achieved and what additional details need to 
be filled to complete the picture to make it more accurate in 
more circumstances. 

These are two types of short-comings and should not be
treated one and the same.  

Scientifically Shakti is 'ability to do work' only.  There is
no other definition nor other existence.  If anything existed,
scientists would have investigated and written papers on it.

In Maharashtra, we call it Ardhanarinateshwar.  

I understanding of big bang is based on scientific literature
written by prominent scientists, which is peer-reviewed and
authenticated by many experiments..  There is no scope for
any imagination.  

From where you got the idea that any astronomical event
is subject to philosophical treatise?  What tools philosophers
use to verify their findings and what experimented are 
conducted to understand the phenomenon?  You are blindly
depending on philosophy which is ill-equipped to deal with
this subject.  Your dependence on philosophy is in the same
category of madarsa teachers who teach their students that
earth is stationary and sun goes around it because Koran says
so.  Instead of Koran only change, you have made is philosophy.
Qualitatively both the statements are of the same class.


On Wednesday, 10 June, 2020, 01:17:15 pm IST, amarnath gupta [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:


Agreed ,everyone has shortcomings ;do you agree ,about yourself ?

Shakti is Nirakar . What is Gun , we have to first clarify ! If it is quality or nature- again Shakti is Nirakar !
Pl comment .

It is Ardhanarishwar,NOt what you have written.

Who told -Big Bang is this or that ? You imagine things ?

Do you know where the phenomenon of Big Bang ,as told by Westerners and blindly accepted by so-called intellectuals , is discussed in much details in the greatest philosophical treatise ! Can you name it ? If yes ,do let me know ,please !

On Tuesday, 9 June, 2020, 11:47:28 pm IST, sanjeev kulkarni [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:


Amarnath ji,

If Ishwar is nirgun nirakar how Shakti or Ardha narinateshwar
descriptions are applicable to it?  Also, the big bang has no other
attributes like intelligence nor it is creator itself..  Big bang will
never show interest in your life, whereas Ishwar or god by
whatever name is supposed to take that interest.  

Can discuss anything without hate, but believers are long 
on abuse and short on rational arguments and when cannot 
reply, start abuse as argument.  


On Monday, 8 June, 2020, 10:14:26 pm IST, amarnath gupta [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:


Very correct, Sanjeev ji -it should be "Her " . The SHAKTI is feminine ! Also , ARDHA NAARISHWAR comes to mind ! You may like to know what is BIG BANG in our philosophy ! No need to be hateful or prejudicial !

On Sunday, 7 June, 2020, 05:03:04 pm IST, sanjeev kulkarni [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:


Try using "Her" instead of "Him" to be more appropriate for
its supposed role..  

Nothing is outside of the universe. And nothing that existed
before the universe can interact/influence anything after
the big bang.  In other words, your creator is not existent
for us for all practical purposes.


On Sunday, 7 June, 2020, 01:11:46 pm IST, amarnath gupta [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:


There has to be a word from those available in the language .This language is far too inadequate . 
 For e.g,there is no word for DHARMA . There could be many examples ! Word Salesman means a lady too.

 In addition , it is rather childish to say ," the universe ."   What is bigger ? Universe is the creation of the Creator ! 

On Sunday, 7 June, 2020, 12:40:48 am IST, sanjeev kulkarni [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:


Why call it "He"?  


On Saturday, 6 June, 2020, 11:57:12 pm IST, amarnath gupta [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:


You are right . There is nothing . NO THING. He is not a thing ,the way things are known ! Any way , there is no use telling !

On Saturday, 6 June, 2020, 11:55:07 am IST, sanjeev kulkarni [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:


There is nothing in this universe which fits this description 
and possesses these attributes.  


On Saturday, 6 June, 2020, 09:35:37 am IST, 'K. C. Garg' [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:






"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymous

A man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!

The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover


"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymous

A man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!

The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover


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