Friday 19 June 2020

Re: [www.keralites.net] Re: [TheBecoming] Re: Are religions equal

 

Madhusudhan

Do you think yourselves to be educated when you have a degree or do you think educated when

you do not have one.  In any case try to debate and do not by  belittle or provoke others please..

Thanks and regards

Ramachandran N.   

On Friday, June 19, 2020, 11:49:43 AM GMT+5:30, Madhampatti53 madhampatti53@gmail.com [Keralites] <keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

CAN WE HAVE SOME "EDUCATED" PERSONS WRITING INSTEAD OF SEMI LITERATES? HAVING A DEGREE NOWADAYS DOES NOT MEAN A 'DAMN'.  IT'S NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT'S PRINTED ON.

MADHUSUDAN P.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 5:34 AM Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Blah blah blah.
How do you know we have a soul in us?
How do you know it remains obscure.?
It has to be found before it can become an active guide in our everyday action.?
Our ancestors had no means of knowing many things that we know. However they may have been better than us at inventing stories to explain things they did not understand. Some of them thought that life was breath. Others thought that it was in the blood and that is why some religions insist that all the blood be drained from a carcass before using it as food.. Soul is another theory our ancestors dreamed up. None of these theories have any evidence whatsoever. These theories have been doing the rounds for hundreds or thousands of generations and we respect them for the reverence we have for our ancestors.

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 04:42, DevinderSingh Gulati devindersingh.gulati2@gmail.com [TheBecoming] <TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

We have a soul in us, but it remains obscure.. We are not aware of it.
It has to be found before it can become an active guide in our everyday action.
Here is a story of finding the soul.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:48 PM Gurjeet Singh <khalsagurjeet@yahoo.com> wrote:
Satgur is Sentient Soul Everyone has a Satgur in them also known as RAAM or Allah



 



On Wednesday, 17 June 2020, 10:48:01 am AEST, Jasjit Singh <jasjit_singh@msn.com> wrote:


Q - Did G. Nanak start a new religion ? 
There are two unparallel answers. One from Bhai Sahib Gurdaas Jee, companion of fifth Nanak Guru Arjun Dev Jee - 

ਮਾਰਿਆ ਸਿਕਾ ਜਗਤਿ ਵਿਚਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਪੰਥੁ ਚਲਾਇਆ ।
In the world, he established the authority (of his doctrines) and started a religion, devoid of any impurity (nirmal Panth).

Second one from Guru Gobind Singh Jee -
ਦੁਹੂੰ ਪੰਥ ਮੈ ਕਪਟ ਵਿਦਯਾ ਚਲਾਨੀ॥
ਬਹੁਰ ਤੀਸਰ ਪੰਥ ਕੀਨੋ ਪਰਧਾਨੀ॥
Two established religions had been contaminated with hypocritic education, so the Third way has been presided.

Q - Did Bhai Mardana stayed Muslim or adopted Guru's path i.e. became Guru's Sikh?
There is solid answer from Bhai Sahib Gurdaas jee that he including others who came into contact with Guru Sahib became His disciple (ਭਗਤ). The last stanza of this Vaar (poem) clarifies that all above person adopted to Gurmat. 

ਤਾਰੂ ਪੋਪਟੁ ਤਾਰਿਆ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਬਾਲ ਸੁਭਾਇ ਉਦਾਸੀ ।
From the very childhood Guru Nanak) liberated detached natured Taru, a Sikh of popat clan.
ਮੂਲਾ ਕੀੜੁ ਵਖਾਣੀਐ ਚਲਿਤੁ ਅਚਰਜ ਲੁਭਿਤ ਗੁਰਦਾਸੀ ।
One Mula of a wonderful nature was there; he would conduct as the servant of the servants of Guru.
ਪਿਰਥਾ ਖੇਡਾ ਸੋਇਰੀ ਚਰਨ ਸਰਣ ਸੁਖ ਸਹਜਿ ਨਿਵਾਸੀ ।
Pirtha and Kheda of soiri caste also got merged in equipoise because of the shelter of the feet of Guru.
ਭਲਾ ਰਬਾਬ ਵਜਾਇੰਦਾ ਮਜਲਸ ਮਰਦਾਨਾ ਮੀਰਾਸੀ ।
Mardana, the bard and witty person and a good player of Rabab in assemblies was a disciple of Guru Nanak.
ਪਿਰਥੀ ਮਲੁ ਸਹਗਲੁ ਭਲਾ ਰਾਮਾ ਡਿਡੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਅਭਿਆਸੀ ।
Pirthi Malu of Sahagalu caste and Rama, (the devotee of Didi caste) became devotee of Guru.
ਦਉਲਤ ਖਾਂ ਲੋਦੀ ਭਲਾ ਹੋਆ ਜਿੰਦ ਪੀਰੁ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ।
Daulat Khan Lodhi was a nice person who later became devotee to Guru known as a living pir, the spiritualist.
ਮਾਲੋ ਮਾਂਗਾ ਸਿਖ ਦੁਇ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਰਸਿ ਰਸਿਕ ਬਿਲਾਸੀ ।
Malo and Manga were two Sikhs who would remain always absorbed in the joy of Gurbani, the holy hymns.
ਸਨਮੁਖਿ ਕਾਲੂ ਆਸ ਧਾਰ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਦਰਗਹ ਸਾਬਾਸੀ ।
Kalu, the Kshtriya, having many wishes and desires in his heart came to the Guru and under the influence of Gurbani, got regards in the court of the Lord.
ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਭਾਉ ਭਗਤਿ ਪਰਗਾਸੀ ।੧੩।
The wisdom of the Guru, i.e. the Gurmat, enlightened in them having loving devotion all round.


From: 'Jasmeet Kaur' via Understanding Sikhism <sikh-identity@googlegroups.com>
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To: Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com>
Cc: DevinderSingh Gulati <devindersingh.gulati2@gmail.com>; Understanding Sikhism <sikh-identity@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Are religions equal
 
Did G. Nanak start a new religion ? 

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On 16-Jun-2020, at 8:12 AM, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com> wrote:

Awal Allah noor upaiha
Kudrat key sabh banday

Manas ki jaat sabh ek pehchanbo



On Mon 15 Jun, 2020, 9:35 AM DevinderSingh Gulati, <devindersingh.gulati2@gmail.com> wrote:
"ALL RELIGIONS ARE EQUAL"  asserts Rawel Singh. By what value?

Many assert that Bhai Mardana, Nanak's closest companion and Rabab player was the first Sikh.
Mardana continued to practice his Muslim faith, and his descendents even today are practicing Muslims even while they sing kirtan in Sikh shrines left behind in Pakistan.
Could he have been a Muslim and a Sikh at the same time?
No, Muslims are not Sikh, asserts Rawel Singh.
But they are equal.

Hardev Singh on the other hand asserts "sabte vada Satguru Nanak".
[Nanak is the greatest]

Did simple Mardana even know the intricacies of the two faiths?
Listen to this discussion, Rawel Singh and then tell me;
Are you Hindu or Musalman?

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