Thursday, 20 February 2020

[] Re: [aryayouthgroup] central govt's advisors tried to save KASAB - SHAMELESS INDIANS


It is a very complicated thing.
The main question is whether the jail term is a deterrent or a vendetta.
There are many hard core criminals who have given up their ways. What is more habitual criminals can be treated back to normalcy.
There is an very ingesting satire called Erewhon by Samuel Butler (This is the word nowhere written backward.) There criminals are treated back to normalcy whereas the sick are punished with penalties proportional to their disease. Patients with TB and other deadly deceases receive the death sentence. As a result there is little crime there and people are healthy 6-footers.
Its all a matter or perception. 
The main cause of crime in India is corruption, the feeling that anyone can get away with anything. In this ambience I dont think punishments will make any difference.

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 20:37, sanjeev kulkarni [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:

If the society starts commuting sentences of criminals because it is 
their nature, then people will lose faith in the judiciary and may resort
to 'private justice'.  Have you read the novel 'God Father'?  Dispensing
of justice will go into private hands for a fee and it will be law of jungle.
People will lose faith in government institutions and it is symptom of a 
failed state.  Sorry, this compassion is totally misplaced and may turn
law-abiding citizens to crime to get justice.  No father or brother of the
victim will let the criminal off the hook because it is his nature.  They
will say it is our nature to slit his throat.  Either the government does it or
we do it.  As simple as that.


On Wednesday, 19 February, 2020, 09:36:36 am IST, Xavier William [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:


There are no hard and fast rules in such matters as the death penalty.
The new thinking is that criminals are to some extend born criminals and so they are not 100% responsible for their crimes. In addition the condition under which they grow up (nurutre) contributes to their actions.
Now there are the accused in the Nirbhaya case who are awaiting the death penalty. I am of the opinion that their death sentence should be commuted because it is their nature and nurture that have made them do what they did. In contrast my wife thinks that they should have been hanged long ago without mercy. It is the same in the case of Kasab. Opinions in such matters may differ. There is no point in making such a beg fuss over it.

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 07:46, Mohan Natarajan [aryayouthgroup] <> wrote:



A startling posting from another grouip. please disseminate

this will never see the day light in our bought out media


the posting from another group

Central govt's advisors tried to save Kasab: Swamy

News Bharati English    28-Jan-2013 


हिंदी में पढ़ने के लिये क्लिक करें

New Delhi, January 28:  When entire nation was demanding 26/11 culprit Ajmal Amir Kasab's execution who held Mumbai rampage for almost four days, some of the Central government's advisors had tried to save him seeking mercy for him from President. This shocking fact has been revealed by Subramanian Swamy in RTI reply.

RTI reply has revealed that a serving member and a former member in the Sonia Gandhi-headed National Advisory Council (NAC) were among the 203 petitioners to the President seeking mercy for Kasab. They are Aruna Roy, who is at present a member of the NAC, Harsh Mander, a former member in the body and social activist Nikhil Dey. They also include several journalists and social activists who filed mercy pleas for Kasab.

"Mander, a former NAC member, wrote to the President of India seeking clemency for Ajmal Kasab, who had been sentenced to death by a trial court as well as the Supreme Court. But President Pranab Mukherjee was gracious enough to reject the clemency petition as well as the strong recommendation by the NAC member," Janata Party president Subramanian Swamy said.

Swamy distributed copies of the letter received under the Right to Information Act by one of his party members about details of persons who sent in mercy petitions to the President for Kasab on Friday. Both Roy and Mander figure in the 203-strong list.

 "These are the kind of people sitting as members of the NAC to decide the fate of this country," disappointed Swamy said..

$img_titleMander, who was a member of the NAC till last year, had also courted controversy for his pleas to save Afzal Guru, one of the main accused in the 2001 Parliament attack case, from the gallows.

When Aruna Roy was contacted in this regard she refused to comment saying she has been travelling for 10 hours and was very tired. Clarifying on behalf of Roy, Dey said he and Roy are against death penalty and wanted that instead of being executed Kasab should have been imprisoned for long. It is to be mentioned here that Roy has extended her support to Maoists.

"We are not for death penalty.. It is our long standing position that death penalty be abolished. We didn't want clemency or mercy for Kasab, but wanted that he should be imprisoned for life," he said.

Kasab was a Pakistani militant and a member of the Lashkar-e-Taiba, through which he took part in the 2008 Mumbai attacks. He was the only attacker captured alive. His death sentence was upheld by the Supreme Court on 29 August 2012, and his mercy petition was rejected by the President on November 5. He was hanged on November 21, last year. Several Human Right activists termed his hanging "unhuman" ignoring the fact that he took 164 innocent lives and wounded at least 308.

It is unfortunate that these so called social activists and protectors of human rights come forward in support of hardcore terrorists and Maoists. At the same time they conveniently ignore their threat to national security. It is more unfortunate that government appoints such people as advisors in NAC which frame policies for nation.


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The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover


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