You are again limelighing a problem without offering any solution.
Our politics is based on Islamophobia. Modi and Rahul are always blaming each other for something or another like fish-sellers quarreling with each other. Instead Kejriwal is offering development. If we offer something different instead of the same Islamophobia even Muslims will take to it.
At the time of Independence there were mainly two options - capitalism and communism/socialism. As a poor nation we were taken in by the sweet promises made by communism like many other nations on earth. We believed that by taking from the rich and distributing it among the poor everyone would be equally rich. The alternate eventuality that we would all become equally poor never occurred to us. Consequently, with the fall of Communism we are stranded politically knowing not what to do next. Philosophies and religions take time to change and to absorb new ideas. We still think that the govt. should do everything and should give us everything for free. We need a paradigm change in our outlooks. Instead we have leaders blaming each other with no positive ideas. What we need are leaders who can think a generation ahead. Instead we have leaders who think only about winning the next election or the next by-election. For them religion and caste becomes a handy weapon instead of a tool.
On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 17:30, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Xavier, Most of the things you mentioned are correct, though you caneasily get other versions too. If you want to paint anyone villain, wehave plenty of material against everyone.But Muslims are a different story. Those supporting extremism are inthe very high number in Islam and even so-called moderate Muslims haveregressive anti-scientific views. They have an agenda of turning the worldinto an Islamic hell hole and anyone opposing will be killed. If they become a majority in Europe, all the progress will be reversed and anyonepropagating science and question Koranic dogmas will be killed forblasphemy. No other religious group is more regressive and dangerousthan Muslims. Do not commit a blunder of equating them with otherreligions. You are comparing the past of other religions with the present ofIslam and think all are the same. And that is the blunder. Other religionshave outlived their scriptures but Muslims are trying very hard to live byit and forcing others to do the same against their wishes. That will be theend of civilizations and humanity.SanjeevOn Saturday, 8 February, 2020, 08:55:36 am IST, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Sanjeev,Now the most widespread eligion in the world is Christianity. That is mainly because of Colonization. Had it not been for colonization Islam would have been the most widespread religion in the world.I have been to Kosovo, Azerbahijan, Kazakstan and Turkey where Muslims account for over 85% of the population. But they pause no problems. Then there are Albania, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan etc which are also predominantly Muslim and yet pose no problems to the outside world.I worked for 8 years in Doha mostly with Pakistanis. I used to express freely my atheist views with these people. I may have been foolish. But my ahteism came to no harm.I also found that the Arabs do not discriminate to a great exchange against other religions. As a consequence there are many non-Muslims from India who have made their fortunes there. In fact Kerala has benefitted considerably from the Gulf largess. Philippines and Sri Lanka have also benefitted considerably from the Gulf boom though they are predominantly non-Muslim.Similarly Malysia and Indonesia are predominantly Muslim countries with about 80% Muslims. They are also quite peaceful and have made much better progress on the economic front than we have.Singapore has much the same Muslim population as we have which is around 14.5% However that has not prevented them being one of the most prosperous countries in the world.Here in India there is a lot of hype about Muslims.We blame the the Mugals for attcking India and conquering it. But remember it was Ibrahim Lody who took the Mugals on.Then there is the hype about Tippu and his forceful conversions of Hindus. However statistics show a different story. Now Mysore where Tippu ruled from has 74% Muslims as against 23% Muslims/ In contrast Kerala which has been traditionally ruled by Hindu kings has over 26% Muslims which is more than in Mysore.If the Muslim Mugals and Tipu were cruel some Hindu kings were even more cruel.Asoka and his dynasty shed much blood for subduing all the area from Afghanistan to Orissa. He converted the whole of India to Buddhism overnight which would not have been possible without some coercion. Later on came Puxhyamitra who massacred Buddhists and as a result India which turned predominantly Buddhist under Asoka reverted to almost totally Hindu. This also must have resulted from considerable coercion.The Sikhs under Ranjith Singh conquered Kashmir and set up a govt that fleeced the farmers to the tune of 50% of their crops.. AS a result there was food shortage and many of the farmers fled.Sanghis are distorting history churning out lies by the thousands. This is the cause of the Islamophobia that is the main force which is behind our current politics.In the past people had scant respect for human rights and kings had the right of life and death over their subjects. All kings and emperors were totalitarian and cruel cruel irrespective of their religion. So there is no point in condemning them by our modern democratic ideals.Even if the Muslims are no good for the country what is the solution. What is the point in harping on a problem if you have no solution to it.On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 13:01, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Xavier, It is a compassionate suggestion to concentrate on good Muslims,but what count is only bad Muslims. We do not come in contact with goodMuslims. We are affected only by bad Muslims. You are troubled bycriminals in society even though they may be 1% and not good people.Also considering the results of surveys, there are only 'active' Muslimsbelieving in extremist ideology who act on it and 'passive' Muslims whoonly support them. There are very few terrorists in India. But we cannotignore that if any terrorist like Yakub Memon is killed, One million'good' Muslims attend his funeral and offer prayers shouting slogans ofsolidarity for his cause. If we ignore them, they are the raw material offuture terrorists. Even if 1% of one 1.5 billion is 1.5 million. And forterrorists - it is a big number.The bottom line is - we cannot afford to concentrate only on so-called 'good'Muslims because they only support the cause. We have to concentrate on'bad' muslims even though they are in smaller number, due to their nuisancevalue. You visit many countries. You please visit Europe now and seefor yourself what 'good' Muslims are doing and what are their aspirations.I hope you do regular pest control at your home even though only a fewcorners are occupied by them and most of the home is left to you to enjoy.SanjeevOn Friday, 7 February, 2020, 11:41:38 am IST, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Sanjeev,What you say may be true though it is false for all Muslims. As long as we cannot separate the good Muslims from the bad Muslims what is the solution? If you have no solution why harp on it when we have more pressing issues?According to Jesus, there must be one flock and one shepherd and in that Christianity is no different from Islam. But over 2000 years of never ending conflicts and wars for bringing about the one-flock-one-shepherd world Christianity has learned that it is not practical. It is a matter of time before Islam also learns the hard way that their dreams of a single Khalifate are impossible.In the meantime you also have to consider Muslim nations like Indonesia where the Hindus constitute 83% of Bali live in peace and prosper under Muslims . So why do you judge Muslims by the Muslims of Syria or Saudi Arabia and not by the Muslims of Indonesia or other places.There are two ways of thinking. one is to reach a conclusin first and then find evidence for it as you are now dcoing. But the logical way is to find evidence first and then to reach a conclusion. So when you think of bad Muslims of the middle east also think of the good Muslims of Indonesia who constitute 87% of the population.On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 10:36, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:We reluctantly mention Gandhi because of some old generation peoplestill consider him an ideal solution to today's problems. They learnednothing from history and will commit the same blunders. That is whywe want to give them a wakeup call.And never commit a bluer to think Muslims are like any other community.Their aspirations are converting the whole world to 'Dar-es-salaam', declareonly Koran can be the guidance and whatever is taught in it is the onlysolution. In fact, complete surrender to Middle-eastern barbarism of 7thcentury. I won't be surprised if they again start stoning to death thescientists for telling something contradicting Koran. There is no commonaspiration. So wake up. They have given enough signals for anyone tounderstand what will happen if they are not dealt with severally likeChina does. China is not run by sanghis but they know how to handlethis menace.SanjeevOn Friday, 7 February, 2020, 10:01:50 am IST, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Why dissect Gandhi now or the others? Why are we so interested in the past ignoring the present and the future that awaits us?European kingdoms were always at war with each other, Now they see sense and cooperate with each other which would not have been possible if they focused on harped on their past.Muslims, Christians and others may be undesirable. But what is the solution? Can we exterminate them as Hitler tried to do with the Jews?We have differences and commonalities with almost everyone including our wives and children. If we focus and harp on the differences with others we shall never find peace. On the other hand if we focus on the common aspirations we can build a future for the common good.There are people who are dismayed or disappointed with their life and they are the ones who blame others for their state of affairs. Then there are the politicians who stand to gain from such differences and the problems that arise therefrom. Dont fall into their traps! Thats what I have to say.Here in India Hindus have the majority and the Muslims are the minority. But remember in Malaysia and elsewhere things are in reverse.On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 09:33, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:I knew you must be from the batch two generations earlier than mine.That was generally the generation muddy minded and not trained in criticalthinking - only emotionally driven. But get acquainted with thenew assessment of Gandhi by others -It seems you have not read this article. So again I am attaching.SanjeevOn Friday, 7 February, 2020, 04:29:04 am IST, Dhirendra Sharma dhiren.sharma32@gmail.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:"Dedi hame Azadi... is nothing but fraud played on gullible Indians"...to say so and believe so, You must be gullible - and ignorant person.. You seem to be ignorantof world history of civilisation ......I have witnessed the Freedom struggle and partition syndrome- my father was among those80,000 Indians imprisoned on Gandhi's call 1942,British! Quit India movement.We don't belittle Netaji - contribution - but Gandhiji's Satyagraha mantra, in 20th century,brought Independence , for more than 30 Afro-Asian colonies!I request you NOT TO INSULT THE FATHER OF THE NATION. You must observe basiccourtesy not to use impolite language when you ref to historical icons.of Mother India.Sabko sanmati de Bhagwan!Dhirendra SharmaOn Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 2:00 PM Deva Sarran Samaroo devasamaroo@hotmail.com [FHRS_USA] <FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
The time has come to get Hindus United. Describing MUSLIMS and ISLAM will not save HINDUISM OR MOTHER INDIA.
MUSLIMS AND ISLAM WILL DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. THEY DO NOT RESPECT LAWS OF ANY NON MUSLIMS COUNTRIES EVEN QUR'ANIC THEY ONLY SEE THE 2200 SURAS OF THE QURAN THAT SAYS KILL NON BELIEVERS AND DESTROYED NON MUSLIMS COUNTRIES. SHAHIN BAUG IS A STRATIGIC PLAN OF DECEPTION USING ANTI CAA INTENT TO RADICALISE YOUNG MUSLIMS AND CLAIM IT IS THEIR DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS . WHEREAS THEY SUPPORT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN PAKISTAN AND BANGLADESH THE KIDNAPPING OF HINDU GIRLS RAPE AND MARRIED THEM INTO ISLAM.
THE LEFTIST ANTI MODIJI ANTI BJP ANTI INDIA PSYCHOPHANTS LIBERAL SECULARISTS LEFTISTS GANG DO NOT SEE BEYOND RHETORICS OF BEING ANTI MODIJI THAT ISLAM WHOLE OBJECTIVES IRRESPECTIVE OF IS TO DESTROY INDIA HINDUISM AND MORE SO TO KILL PM NARENDRA MODIJI FIRST THEN YOGI ADITYANATH N AMIT SHAH
GANDHI - NEHRU DID WHAT THEY WANTS WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE WANT. HISTORY GIVES US A LESSON LET US NOT REPEAT SAME BY PONTIFICATING.
GIVE A WAKE UP CALL ON HINDUS IRRESPECTIVE OF CASTE CREED OR OBC STATUS FIRSTLY TO RID KEJRIVAL IN DELHI AND LET BJP WIN.
DEVA
LONDON
From: FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com <FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Girish Desai desaigeebee@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 8:05:09 AM
To: FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com <FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FHRS_USA] Fw: All Muslims are illegal immigrants in Hindusthantaking sides and belittling our heroes is not right. We are not doing any service to our freedom fighters. whether INA or congress and Gandhiji all should be treated with equal respect. 30-40 yrs of struggle and INA's action combined brought us here. Therefore, praising one against the other is meanthing.I am not sure, but remember having seen in movie when Netaji is seen asking captain Lakshmi whether he had any right to get so many soldiers killed in a battle of unequals? He understood that the battle was between a mighty power and ill equipped freedom fighters. Was it justified?
Not going into that, I believe we as indians, should stop praising one against the other. We did nothing, did not take part in any struggle and now sitting in jedge chair to pass judgements. damn wrong
girish b desai
On Monday, February 3, 2020, 12:41:13 AM CST, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Sorry, people have started re-assessing legacy of Gandhi. Also,Dedi hame Azadi... is nothing but fraud played on gullible Indians.It negates herculean efforts by freedom-fighters, Azad Hind Seanaand scores of revolutionaries who laid their lives for freedom.Their contribution is deliberately negated and ignored until todayby congress propagandists. Also the following assessment by RichardGrenier is an eye-opener for those who are not driven by emotionsand have the courage to face reality and open mind to evaluatefresh evidence and assessment.
Sanjeev
On Monday, 3 February, 2020, 11:16:44 am IST, Dhirendra Sharma dhiren.sharma32@gmail.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Dear Editor: FHRS- USA!I share your commitment to Krinvanto Vishvam-Aryam...But Condemning Mahatma Gandhi reflects our lack of knowledge of historical development. at the end of 2nd World War..
Narendra Modi once said NO ONE IS HOLIER THAN THE OTHERS... There is no Hindu blood group
that distinguish us from the non-Hindus and there is no wrong doings/ SIN that the muslims commit and we the Hindus (ARYAs) don't!
I have witnessed the Partition syndrome - you name it what evil we HIndus (Aryans) did
not commit? If millions of white Christian- women were raped and killed in the 2nd World War, it was was the Mahatma Gandhi who opposed the Partition of India, and save the honour of FEE India. No leader was there to stop the rapingand killings in newly Independent India!
The Mahatma, age 80, was unarmed ( no security provided by the state), in the evening prayer, singingthe Ram-dhun:Raghupati-Ragahav Raja Ram ...patitpavan Sita-Ram ! when he was killed by a Maratha Hindu ( ARYA) Brahmin!
Those HIndu chauvinists are ignorant of Gandhiji's Historical contribution to world civilisation....DEDI AAZADI HAME - BINA KHADG - BINA-DHAL
O! SABARMATI -KE SANT! TUNE KAR DIYA KAMMAL
Dhirendra Sharma,Founder- Editor; PHILOSOPHY & SOCIAL ACTION,qty (1975-2005)
Shastri, Sahityacharya, Nyaya-Tirtha,Ph.D. ( Lond).
Sanjeev jiYour irrefutable arguments should convince any doubting Tom but yet there are die hard brainwashed Hindus who put Gandhi ABOVE Bharat.
They hold the view, "Don't mention PARTITION....... It may reflect badly on Gandhi!"
Sadly, it is a fact that for over thousand years the top leader, or ruler, (King or Emperor) in Hindusthan was above the country....... Hence Oaths of Loyalty were towards these mortals in the highest posts of power.
That slave's tradition continues to this day when Nehru and Gandhi are BEYOND reproach!
Where the citizens are BORN FREE we see in what esteem Hitler and Mussolini are held by the Germans and the Italians respectively today.
If we aspire to see the HINDUS at the same level of intellect & patriotism, then both Gandhi and Nehru ought to be TRIED for the unconditional surrender of Lahore IN PERPETUITY without a condition, without referendum.
regardsrajput2.2.2020
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He did understand. But he was dishonest. But again, Gandhi as a personis not important. Hindus as a society followed him was the main problem.Don't blame a joker for acting like a joker. Blame yourselves for goingto the circus.
Sanjeev
On Sunday, 2 February, 2020, 08:57:22 pm IST, vasant sardesai vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
The difficulty is that Mahatma Gandhi and other leaders never understood the Mantra they have used about Hinduism and Hindus.They quoted only the first part of teh Mantra "Ahinsa Param Dharma to give prominence to Ahinsa. forgetting that the remaining part is equally or even more important..
V. S. Sardesai
On Saturday, 1 February, 2020, 2:21:26 pm IST, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
1. Gandhi advised only Hindus to bow to rapists and commit suicideas a gesture of grand sacrifice. In our culture 'sacrifice' is glorified'unconditionally'. Mostly it is a sacrifice for the sake of sacrifice withoutany goal. Anyone sacrificing something (even if it is extremely stupid actconsidering the consequences) is considered Mahatma or saintly. Oncethe person is installed at a high pedestal of Mahatmahood, he cannotdismount the tiger and has to act in such a way that his image of amodern-day saint is reinforced. For that, he has to sacrifice the followersand disregard justice or even humanity. Gandhi fell for this mahatmasyndrome and did everything for it with total disregard to peace, non-violence, justice or even humanity. It is estimated his politics resultedin four million deaths immediately, not to count innumerable rapes,four wars and holocaust of Hindus left in Pakistan over 7 decades.And the world over he is considered an icon of non-violence and peace!Nothing can get more pervert than this.
2. Hindus have more traitors than Muslims have terrorists among them.So it is short-sighted to ask for the union of India again....... Pakistan / Bangladeshwas a strategic blunder of Muslims. Unfortunately, Hindus have no visionto exploit the hand destiny has dealt to them. 600 million Muslims in unitedIndia and fragmented Hindu society with their leaders who are willing tosell their interests for personal considerations is a lethal combination forHindus. Muslims stupidly trifurcated themselves. Take full advantage of it.If Hindus have a brain, they will destroy what is already divided.
3. If Hindus rely on state support for their survival, they have no future.Period!
Sanjeev
On Saturday, 1 February, 2020, 07:31:15 am IST, RSingh305@aol.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Ref. e-mail below. How true!1947 saw TOTAL COLLAPSE of India at the feet of MA Jinnah- all due to treachery by NEHRU and appeasement policies of Gandhi.
(*Why didn't barrister Gandhi accuse Jinnah of HIGH TREASON when he demanded Pakistan?*Why didn't Gandhi undertake a "fast for two minutes" in protest at the proposed break up of India {his Akhand Bharat}?*How did they BOTH make sure that NO Hindu was killed, robbed, abducted or raped in Pakistan?*Why are the two above, or beyond, ACCOUNTABILITY?)
After surrendering one third of India unconditionally to establish an exclusive ISLAMIC homeland (Pakistan) for the INDIAN Muslims, at least the CONSTITUTION of "Broken Bleeding" Bharat should have denied the Muslims FULL citizenship rights.
Nowhere on earth can the MAJORITY community be "FLOGGED" twice for NO fault of theirs!
At last three things must be done:1. DISCUSS PARTITION IN PARLIAMENT and ASSESS THE PART PLAYED BY GANDHI AND NEHRU.
2. WRITE A NEW CONSTITUTION IN THE LIGHT OF PARTITION OF INDIA, AND NOT ON THE MODELS OF UK & USA (both with "UNITED" in their names!).
3. Explain to the nation the strategic defence implications of the BORDER at Wagah instead of Khyber Pass.
The esteemed writer (below) is right. INDIAN Muslims are "legal" in Islamic Pakistan and "ILLEGAL" in secular (Partitioned) India. Their passports ought to be marked "TEMPORARY" 0r "ALIEN".
Those, including the UNO, who may cry "Discrimination!!" should be asked to UNITE India in the borders of 1947, and end the "Mischief of Muslims"!We should not fail to notice the beginnings of Muslim/Congress agitation that can result in widespread violence and a lot of bloodshed eventually. Partitioned India under present Constitution is UNSTABLE- socially and politically.
Those who blessed the Indian Muslims with their separate Homeland and conferred ISLAMIC identity on Pakistan, deliberately wiped out the HINDU identity in Bharat by Constitution!
How could the Hindus tolerate this? Without State support Hinduism is "evaporating" (dying) in Hindusthan!
rajput1 Feb 2020
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Our culture and philosophy made the masses run after the likes ofGandhi/Nehru. Otherwise, they had a choice to follow Savarkar too.Nehru and Gandhi were only the symptoms of the mental disease ofsociety due to ideals bombarded on society for more than two thousandyears after the advent of Buddhism. Nehru/Gandhi would not pop-upsuddenly in Western or Islamic countries. Their poison seed was destinedto find the fertile land only in Hindu India. Even now a large section of thesociety thinks there must be something drastically wrong in guardingself-interest. We have over-glorified sacrifice and poverty.
Sanjeev
On Friday, 31 January, 2020, 08:44:20 pm IST, vasant s sardesai.vasant@gmail.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
We, the Indians are suffering because of Nehru=Gandhi's faults.
On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 10:09 AM sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
China declares Muslims will have to take the permission of the Chinesegovernment to procreate children.
All Muslims are illegal immigrantsin Hindusthan
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