On 26 July 2016 at 18:55, Kuppusamy kuppus_02@yahoo.com [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
There you are at again, Xaviour ! So Latin and/or any other language is as bad as Sanskrit ? All along you have been criticising Sanskrit without any merit, and now you are including many more languages to your critical List. No wonder why people here get annoyed with you and Sanjiv !!Regards
From: "Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!They have chairs not only for Sanskrith but also for Latin and other languages. That does not mean anything
On 26 July 2016 at 08:11, Kuppusamy kuppus_02@yahoo.com [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Xaviour,
True, in ancient days the Brahmins kept Sanskrit among themselves, because that assumed others cant learn it or others have nothing to do with it. But these days people know, it's crystal clear that Sanskrit has wealth of information encompassing of every facets of Human life ! And the study of Sanskrit is in educational institution, especially in higher edn institution are recommended not by Brahmins alone, even by non-brahmins. Many Foreign universities have understood this and have Sanskrit chair !!
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Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!Kuppuswamy,
Answers can be logical or illogical. But I do not understand how questions can be logical or illogical. Your ancestors made sure that they alone could access knowledge by keeping Sanskrit out of reach of the common people. Now that the common people have come into their own people like Gurdeo wants everyone to learn Sanskrit which is now dead and almost useless except for the Sanghis.
On 24 July 2016 at 19:54, Kuppusamy kuppus_02@yahoo.com [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
No wonder your questions scared many educated and knowledgeable people and they went unanswered !!! Perhaps they thought it is waste of time and energy to educate you and you found solace in atheism which is simple to all !!! Just question anything and everything, whether logical or illogical......
From: "sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!
How you thought your following posting answers any of my questions ?
4. Can you prove god if you think he /she/ it has revealed Vedas.
5. Can you tell when this revelation was done ?
If it was done at zero hour - who was there to receive this knowledge at that time revealed by god except Hydrogen and Helium ? and how it got transmitted to earth after 13 billion years ? How it was preserved during this period ?Sanjeev
From: "Kuppusamy kuppus_02@yahoo.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Sunday, 24 July 2016 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!
Mr Sanjiv,
Philosophy is a creation of a mind and consciousness and can not, in most cases, explained with any kind of reasoning. One has to feel it to understand it.
Science is the result of a thing/incident, of what happened, how happened and why happened based out of research and studies. So they have ample evidence to understand . Many eminent scientists have become good philosophers in their later years !Philosophy needs high intellectual thinking to understand and Science need logical mind/thinking to understand.
I really wonder how your questions went unanswered...
From: "sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!
Mr. Kuppusamy,
My father is a PhD in philosophy and we have private library of thousands of books on the subjects mentioned by you. I started reading these books at the age of five and at the age of 13 I became atheist because my father or his philosopher friends, professors etc. could not give satisfactory answers to my questions. On the other hand science books and books by prominent scientists on scientific temper etc. put forwarded a completely opposing case which no one could defeat. I have read books extensively, on the subjects mentioned by you. I could not find any answers.And I have discussed these questions with dozens and dozens of professors and scholars in these fields - who had devoted their lives to the subject and had studied literally several thousands of books each. Even they could not think of any answers. With decades of search, now I am convinced that these questions have no answers and the case put forward by its advocates is very hollow based on flimsy grounds.
Now tell me- are there any scholar who has studied these books or any other books or have independent thinking ability and can give satisfactory answer ?
If not, why should we take that arguments put forward by people like you as valid ? Either answer the questions or accept the argument put forward by me.
Sanjeev
From: "Kuppusamy kuppus_02@yahoo.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Friday, 22 July 2016 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!As i said before, pl read books written by great Hindu Scholars/Thinkers/Philosophers and get the answers yourself. I am providing only incidents with its availability to show the greatness of Hindu Scripts and it's up to you look up for answers where they are available. It's beyond my ability to explain to you all, about Hinduism, Vedas, etc....
From: "sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!
Tell me the bottom line. Can you answer the questions ? Or there are no scholars who have studied your books, scriptures but simply cannot answer them.
Sanjeev
From: "Kuppusamy kuppus_02@yahoo.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2016 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!To the so called Rationalists like Sanjiv, Xaviour
Your questions may appear logical, but lack any sense ! I too can ask such logical questions why man was born with 2 eyes only ? Why they are placed in the face instead of chest or any other part !! Does any one have answers for that ?
If you could not appreciate or understand Hinduism, Vedas and Vedic Wisdom, that is okay with all of us.... but such questions from you people lead to nowhere..... There are many books in the market written by many scholars of Hinduism and you must read them instead of tuning your mind into intellectual biases against Hinduism, Vedas and Vedic Wisdom !When you read those books such questions never ever will come to your mind. But i am sure it will never happen with you people and you will continue to rant..... Go ahead.....
From: "sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!To People like Kuppusamy,
1. If vedas are not man made, can you tell the procedure and process by which they came into existence and how sanskrit evolved in space ?
2. Can you explain as to why Vedas contain so called knowledge only to the extent found out by science by other means ? If it is knowledge from god, why god cannot give advanced knowledge which science has not found so far - like dark matter and dark energy ?
3. Noble prize is given to any one who contributes to any field of science which was hitherto unknown to man. Can any vedic scholar get Noble prize based on his study of Vedas by contributing knowledge unknown to humans so far, validated by scientific methods.
4. Can you prove god if you think he /she/ it has revealed Vedas.
5. Can you tell when this revelation was done ? If it was done at zero hour - who was there to receive this knowledge at that time revealed by god except Hydrogen and Helium ? and how it got transmitted to earth after 13 billion years ? How it was preserved during this period ?
Sanjeev
From: "Kuppusamy kuppus_02@yahoo.com [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2016 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!To Xaviour like people,
Vedas are not man made and are full of knowledge and wisdom. There is no worship of any God in them. They exist for many yugas in an un-written or oral form. It was later came into written form by many Great Rishis in the language known as Sanskrit also known as language of God !
The interpretation of Vedas, in later years, got classified into 4, namely Rig, Yajur, Sama and Atharvana. All the 4 put forth the knowledge and wisdom in an appropriate way not crossing the lines with each other.Even today there are sects among people following one of the 4 above as their guide to life.
It was again later people with limited knowledge in Sanskrit defined Vedas in their own way causing confusion and followers of each of the 4 above also trumpeting theirs is superior to other, which is obvious to any human society. This confusion did not denigrate the Vedas and they stood the test of times till today !They are mother to so many outcomes like Vedic Science, Universal Dharma, Hindu way of life, etc...
Science is born out of knowledge and wisdom. Thus Hindu Vedas for the basis of Vedic Science and which lead to many discoveries and beliefs both by the ancient hindus and non-hindus(later). Vedic people knew world is round; gravitation and laws of Physical sciences existed before it was defined by the modern science ! Only thing was that they practised their knowledge and handed down the same to next generations and so on.... they did not have the modern scientific instruments to prove hardcore, their scientific knowledge and discoveries and also did not put them in written form. They came later when the modern science started to take shape on the knowledge and wisdom gained from Vedic Science.
These days there are non-hindus, hindu haters who could not digest the fact that vedic science has finally culminated into modern science and criticise the Vedas, Hinduism, Hindus. And they call it Rationalism !!!! Yes, you people too have space and freedom in this world like us !!
From: "Gurudeo Tularam a.tularam@griffith.edu.au [Keralites]" <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
To: Keralites <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Keralites] Re: God has Commanded a Blessing for You!Does not mean that bible is everywhere means it is the only book to follow or to believe at all, England used to own the world once too, but only by force there is a different world now! I am glad to say, most of europe tried to own the world but many countries did not and by gaining wealth of others some became rich and had an agenda as well so money drove what you see today regarding bible translations, but what you dont know is that the worlds best minds have studied the work in the vedas by themselves, and this is a to be seen as something of importance! to all Indians; than now world is changing and focus of learning is changing and even Indians have learned to steal from others and this much change if we are to show the world once again how peaceful we are and how we can gain knowledge and teach others as well only if they want to .....otherwise see France Belgium, England bombings, America, Bangladesh and not to mention middle east and they was we as humans a going about our business must change!!
I can translate any mantras you want please send them to me; in indian way of learning a horse must be thirsty to drink and very very thirsty before we teach them anything at all of this paramatmic knowledge see Katha Upanishad for this; we dont go around changing people at all, we would love people to learn about Manodharma; interesting try and translate this; and Human, comes from the word "Hanuman"; from the animal kingdom come out humans as a higher being of animals, see this and many others are vedic knowledge;
regards
sorry I cannot pass on so much that I know in one day as it has taken me my lifetime to learn thus far and still going;
kindest regardsPanditji
Dr Gurudeo Anand Tularam - Senior Lecturer in Mathematics/Statistics Griffith Sciences - [ENV]: Griffith University, Nathan Campus Queensland, 4111, Australia, Tel: 617 37353522: http://www.griffith.edu.au/environment-planning-architecture/griffith-school-environment/staff/dr-anand-tularam:Senior Researcher: EFRI Institute: http://www.griffith.edu.au/environment-planning-architecture/environmental-futures-research-institute/news-events/news/dr-gurudeo-anand-tularamTularam G. A. and Hassan. O. M. (2016) https://www.routledge.com/Groundwater-Assessment-Modeling-and-Management/Thangarajan-Singh/p/book/9781498742849 (CRC - Taylor and Francis Press)Reza, R, Tularam, GA Li, B (forthcoming), 'An investigation into the interdependence of global water indices: A VAR analysis' Applied Economics. DOI:10.1080/00036846.2016.1205725Tularam. G. A. and Reza R. (2016). Water Exchange Traded Funds: A Study on Idiosyncratic Risk using Markov Switching Analysis. Cogent Economics Finance: 4(1), 1-12. Taylor Francis: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23322039.2016.1139437#.V0YYZYR96WgMaddali, V; Tularam, GA; Glynn, Patrick, G. (2015). Economic and time sensitive issues surrounding CCS – A policy analysis: A* - Journal of Environmental Science Technology (AMERICAN CHEMICAL SOCIETY): CITATION in NATURE: http://www.nature.com/articles/nenergy201511http://pubs.acs.org/action/doSearch?text1=tularam=&field1=AllField http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.est.5b00839Roca, E., Tularam, G. A., and Reza, R. (2015). Fundamentals of investment profitability in the global water industry. In. Journal of Water 9(4). http://www.inderscience.com/offer.php?id=72155Tularam G.A. (2015). Water Security Problems in Asia and Longer Term Implications for Australia Springer http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-12394-3_7Reza, R, Tularam, GA Li, B 2015, 'An investigation into the interdependence of global water indices: A VAR analysis', paper presented in UCOWR Conference on 16-18 June, Las Vegas, USA: http://www.ucowr.org/files/2015%20Conference/2015_UCOWR_Conference_Proceedings_Final.pdf http://www.ucowr.org/files/2015%20Conference/2015_UCOWR__Conference_Final_Program_05_27_15.pdfNEW BOOK: TULARAM, G A (2016). ESSENTIALS OF APPLIED MATHEMATICS FOR THE SCIENCES: WILEY: ISBN: 9781119922629
On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
If everyone who wants to understand the Vedas have to learn Sanskrit first then the Vedas will remain a closed book to 99.9999999999999% of mankind. So if you want to promote the Vedas do something to make it accessible to the brute majority who do not know Sanskrit. The Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek. But now it is available in almost every written language and that is one of reasons for Christianity's success.
On 20 July 2016 at 03:58, Gurudeo Tularam a.tularam@griffith.edu.au [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
The god that you think is always personal that is not at all what Paramatmaa is at all so please clarify the issue of meaning of god first before delve into such discussions,
what causes cancer is a defect in your body, who cures cancer which we have not have done as yet at all, by the way, is us as we have learned through earlier learing that the cures of many ailments are within this universe, and we have to find them and science is doing just that nothing else; this started in all cultures but in India it was a part of the vedas which means by the way not god but knowledge, please learn sanskrit first before commenting on the work on the vedas please!!!
regards
Dr Gurudeo Anand Tularam - Senior Lecturer in Mathematics/Statistics Griffith Sciences - [ENV]: Griffith University, Nathan Campus Queensland, 4111, Australia, Tel: 617 37353522: http://www.griffith.edu.au/environment-planning-architecture/griffith-school-environment/staff/dr-anand-tularam:Senior Researcher: EFRI Institute: http://www.griffith.edu.au/environment-planning-architecture/environmental-futures-research-institute/news-events/news/dr-gurudeo-anand-tularamTularam G. A. and Hassan. O. M. (2016) https://www.routledge.com/Groundwater-Assessment-Modeling-and-Management/Thangarajan-Singh/p/book/9781498742849 (CRC - Taylor and Francis Press)Reza, R, Tularam, GA Li, B (forthcoming), 'An investigation into the interdependence of global water indices: A VAR analysis' Applied Economics. DOI:10.1080/00036846.2016.1205725Tularam. G. A. and Reza R. (2016). Water Exchange Traded Funds: A Study on Idiosyncratic Risk using Markov Switching Analysis. Cogent Economics Finance: 4(1), 1-12. Taylor Francis: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23322039.2016.1139437#.V0YYZYR96WgMaddali, V; Tularam, GA; Glynn, Patrick, G. (2015). Economic and time sensitive issues surrounding CCS – A policy analysis: A* - Journal of Environmental Science Technology (AMERICAN CHEMICAL SOCIETY): CITATION in NATURE: http://www.nature.com/articles/nenergy201511http://pubs.acs.org/action/doSearch?text1=tularam=&field1=AllField http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.est.5b00839Roca, E., Tularam, G. A., and Reza, R. (2015). Fundamentals of investment profitability in the global water industry. In. Journal of Water 9(4). http://www.inderscience.com/offer.php?id=72155Tularam G.A. (2015). Water Security Problems in Asia and Longer Term Implications for Australia Springer http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-12394-3_7Reza, R, Tularam, GA Li, B 2015, 'An investigation into the interdependence of global water indices: A VAR analysis', paper presented in UCOWR Conference on 16-18 June, Las Vegas, USA: http://www.ucowr.org/files/2015%20Conference/2015_UCOWR_Conference_Proceedings_Final.pdf http://www.ucowr.org/files/2015%20Conference/2015_UCOWR__Conference_Final_Program_05_27_15.pdf NEW BOOK: TULARAM, G A (2016). ESSENTIALS OF APPLIED MATHEMATICS FOR THE SCIENCES: WILEY: ISBN: 9781119922629
On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 8:23 AM, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
What exactly do you mean by god's blessings?
Suppose we get cancer and we are cured of it, is it god's blessing? After all it is god himself that caused the cancer.It is the same with other things. God creates all kinds of problems and some of them are resolved and we thank god for them neglecting the fact that there are many problem that are not solved unless by death.
Some of my most favorite quotes vis-a-vis religion are
- Our remedies oft in ourselves do lie, Which we ascribe to Heaven." Shakespeare (All's Well That Ends Well (I, i, 231-232))
- "All superstition is much the same, whether it be that of astrology, dreams, omens, retributive judgment or the like, in all of which the deluded believers observe events which are fulfilled, but neglect and pass over their failure, though it be much more common." Francis Bacon
- "To become a popular religion, it is only necessary for a superstition to enslave a philosophy. Many people believe that they are attracted by God or by Nature, when they are only repelled by man." William Ralph Inge
- "Ignorance is the soil in which belief in miracles grows and superstition is the religion of feeble minds." Edmund Burke
- "Fear is the main source of superstition and one of the main sources of cruelty" - Bertrand Russell
- "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.; Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
On 20 July 2016 at 03:22, Peter Hilder <philder1@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
God Has Commanded a Blessing for You! _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ What God has planned for you is much bigger than anything you've ever dreamed. If God were to show you right now where He is taking you – the favour, the promotion, the influence – it would boggle your mind. You may think, I am not the most qualified, I don't have the personality or the talent. That's okay. It is going to happen because of God's commanded blessing on your life.
HERE'S THE WHOLE KEY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEEK THE BLESSING. SEEK GOD, AND THE BLESSING WILL SEEK AFTER YOU. THIS IS WHERE WE MISS IT. YOU CAN REST IN PEACE, IN SYNC WITH GOD, HONOURING HIM, THE RIGHT PEOPLE WILL FIND YOU, THE RIGHT GODLY OPPORTUNITIES WILL FIND YOU.
In Proverbs it says, 'The wealth of the ungodly will eventually find its way into the hands of the righteous for whom it has been laid up for.' GOD HAS ALREADY LAID UP FOR YOU EVERYTHING TO FULFILL YOUR DESTINY Psalm 51:10 'Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me.' Sometimes the process of life can leave us defiled. But you should constantly desire a 'clean heart' and a 'right spirit'. This is something that we can ask God to do for you.
Ask God to create something new in you. Just when you think you have your whole life figured out, God will come along and change everything. You will know that this change is from God if it is bigger than you. * PRAYER: Lord, I invite You to come right now and work within my heart and spirit. Remove those things that do not please You and renew my heart and spirit now I pray. Amen. __________________________________________________________________________________________________ WHEN IS THIS BLESSING GOING TO HAPPEN? AT THE EXACT RIGHT TIME. IF IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET, DON'T GET DISCOURAGED. JUST BE FAITHFUL RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE AND KEEP LIVING WITH THE POSITIVE ATTITUDE THAT SOMETHING GOOD FOR YOU IS COMING YOUR WAY!.
God has commanded it!
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