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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 at 19:51
Subject: RE: [india-unity] Re: [www.keralites.net] Re: [aryayouthgroup] HINDUISM NOT BEING TAUGHT IN INDIAN SCHOOLS
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It is not correct to say that "Of course Sanghis and other fundamentalists are mentally closed to modern realities and go harping after obsolete codes of the 2000 year old scriptures."
They are not mentally closed to the modern scientific realities. They know these very well and use these such as TV, mobile in their everyday life. They hope to send their kids to the USA and the West to obtain higher technical qualifications and jobs whilst they oppose even a Dalit Sanskrit teacher (he may reconfirm what is actually written in the Vedas).
If the Vedas were scientific, all world universities including the universities in India would be teaching these and the Sanghis would send their children to these places.. But they don't.
It is the Rig Veda which ULTIMATELY justifies the varna (caste) system in the 10th Chapter. It also justifies the impurity of menstruating woman which is then requoted/used in the Yajanvalkaya Smirti to justify woman's inferior position. The two together justify the low position of Sudra and women (which are often bracketed together in the Smirtis) which justifies the enforced endogamy on pain of punishment. Caste/enforced endogamy/women/marriage/purity/rape/oppression/ exploitation all stems from the Vedas/Smirtis. The Dharma of a Sudra is to serve. The Dharma of an ati-Sudra is to shovel shit. If everything is Universal Brahman then all the upper castes would have no objection to treat an untouchable like a Brahmin but they don't.
Did Ambedkar say "Dynamite these (the Vedas and the Smirits)"? I believe it was one of Ambedkar's Brahmin friend who was actually present there by choice to show approval of burning of Manu Smirti?
Am I stating the obvious here?
Vedas are also used to justify the above idealistic reactionary philosophy by equating the Universal Brahma to Quantum Mechanics energies (See Meera Nanda's work on Hindutva science). Perhaps the Sanghis could produce a poll of world scientists who believe in this with peer review publications. But that is not going to happen anytime soon.
The one owns the lathi owns the buffalo, as they say in North India. The dominant hegemonic ideology is the only ideology.
Therefore this hegemonic Hindutva ideology has to be asserted to be scientific when clearly it is not.
People in the 21s century may not even believe in a God. But they do believe in science and use on a day to day basis. That is why the Sanghis call Vedas the science. There is a method in their madness.
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Subject: [india-unity] Re: [www.keralites.net] Re: [aryayouthgroup] HINDUISM NOT BEING TAUGHT IN INDIAN SCHOOLS
"It is absurd to condemn Vedas which preaches the highest level morals required for a human." This is another abusurd sanghi making absurd claims without any evidence as is the routine for these fundamentalists. Please quote some verses from the Vedas which promotes Morals and I can show you even more ancient verses promoting the same morals. Because all morals are human and not divine or a monopoly to any religion. Waht is more religions also promote immoral practices such as slavery and caste of which I have given many examples before. My dear Sangi can you cite a few verses from the Vedas or the bible or the Koran which talks of 1. Pollution limits for your car 2. copyright and plagiarisation laws 3. cyber laws 4. Civil and criminal procedures 5. Sound pollution laws and a thousand other civil and criminal codes and laws in any modern legal systems. When we have so many laws to regulate our modern way of life why do we have rake up ancient codes from ancient scriptures which are outdated. Ofcource Sanghis and other fundamentalists are mentally closed to modern realities and go harping after obsolete codes of the 2000 year old scriptures.
On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 18:51, Srinivasan Venkatkrishna svkiyengar@yahoo.com [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
It is absurd to condemn Vedas which preaches the highest level morals required for a human. Only those who have known and learnt it can comment on it. All tom, dick and harries have started commenting which is unfortunate.
Secondly, it is Muslims who adhere to the old principles and guidelines of growing beards, wearing caps and living an old age life which is absolutely not matching with modern life and styles. Quoting Quran Jihad is interpreted and followed in many places. Praying in a public place which causes inconvenience to the public and through loud speakers are modern and the latest concepts???
Is there no one to question these?? This is India where we have more Freedom and we call it Democracy... Very unfortunate.
Regards
svk
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 11:46:25 AM GMT+5:30, Madhampatti53 madhampatti53@gmail.com [Keralites] <keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Some of the morons who respond to letters in the YAHOOGROUPS need a whiplashing for using abusive language in their replies. I am surprised you keep publishing these letters, especially those of Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com>.
Please keep a decent, civilised dialogue going and not moronic statements.
P. MADHUSUDAN
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 7:38 AM Xavier William varekatx@gmail..com [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Once when East and West Berlin were separate countries and at enmity with each other, East Berlin dumped their rotten garbage and waste over the Berlin Wall into West Berlin. The next day West Berlin collected all the beautiful flowers and fruits they could collect, packed them up well and placed them as carefully as they could over the wall into East Berlin with a note saying each one gives what he has in abundance.
Sanghis are always spewing hatred, violence and abuse because that is waht they are best at. Our Amarnath is the best example. I have always posted only logic taking care to define the terms I use and to provide evidence for my statements. But Amarnath the true Sanghi does not bother for such rules. Instead he spews forth abuses and that is a clear pointer to his great ancestry. He and his words are adequate evidence for his ancestry and culture and I do not have to provide any further evidence. Thank you Amarnath for providing me with the evidence to prove my statements.
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 22:16, amarnath gupta amarnath_gupta2003@yahoo.co.in [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
"I am not here,,,,,,," The scoundrel is here because he likes to hear clanking of coins* thrown in his begging bowl ,by the white-coat Slaves' Army, for each of his post .
(* Credit--1st lesson "Greedy Baker" in Pearson English Text , many years back, when grandson was in Class III ..)
On Wednesday, 22 January, 2020, 11:15:46 pm IST, amarnath gupta amarnath_gupta2003@yahoo.co.in [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
"I am not here to listen to assumed greatness of your ancestors " Who were the ancestors of this GAANDU CHUUTIYA ?
Why this Gandi Naali ka Kirra is here ? Is this forum this Haraami Chaandaal's BAAP KI PROPERTY ? What makes him deserve to be called BLAA BLAA BLAA ?
On Monday, 20 January, 2020, 07:57:58 am IST, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Garg,
There are two important rules for discussions and debates 1. Define the terms used 2. Provide evidence for your statements. You have been flouting these in spite of repeated reminders.
This is the upteenth time that people like you make claims that the vedas are scientific but failing to evidence evidence for the same. This leaves me no choice but to call your bluff. If you are offended I am sorry. But heenceforth make sure that you keep t the rules of discussions 1. Define the terms used 2. Provide evidence for your statements.
I am not here to hear about the assumed greatness of your ancestors.
On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 at 07:10, 'K. C. Garg' kcg831@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Mr, Xavier William,
Mind your language.
On Thursday, January 16, 2020, 08:19:32 AM GMT+5:30, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Garg,
Dont go on babbling about vedas.
There are two important ingredients to any discussion. 1. Define the terms you use. 2. Give evidence for your assertions.
You boast the Vedas are scientific. Give at least a few verses of any of the four vedas which have scientific relevance.
You speak of Dharama. Pl define the word dharma in one sentence.....
If you cannot do this dont go on blah blahing about Vedas being scientific and dharmic.
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 06:25, 'K. C. Garg' kcg831@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Sanjeev Ji,
Vedas teach only scientific, natural humanity.
It is not a religion. It is Dharam.
Religions are designed by different men......
Dharam is given by God in the beginning of the universe.
Krishanj Garg
On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 10:37:35 AM GMT+5:30, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I fully agree. Time and energy spent on stone-age thinking is
a waste of money. We should teach scientific temper instead.
Sanjeev
On Wednesday, 15 January, 2020, 10:35:29 am IST, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
As an atheist I am of the opinion that no religion should be taught in schools since all religions are packed with superstitions without any evidence. Maybe we can teach stories from the scriptures just like other stories of Shakespeare or Harry Potter or Kalidasa are taught.
I am not an expert in myths. I have read a major part of the Bible, far more than most Christian devotees have read. My opinion is that the stories of the Bible are boring are childish.
I have read the Iliad on the Trojan war and and its sequel the Odyssey on the adventures of Odysseus after the Trojan war. They are far more interesting than the Bible. But I have not read the other Greek myths.
I have read the Epic of Gilgamesh which forms part of the Babylonian myths. These are also little better than any other myth.
In contrast the Ramayan and the Mahabharath are far more intriguing and mature. But in the final analysis they are also nothing but myths without any evidence and should be treated like Harry Potter stories which I understand are also very enticing.
I can say that the Mahabharath is the best myth I have read. But I cannot say it is the best in the world since I have not read all the myths of the world.
These myths may have had moral values for the people of those times, places and societies. But they have no significance for today's world. Instead each modern state has hundreds of thousands of rules and regulations enacted by elected bodies. What is more these modern laws and regulations are modified to accommodate changing social realities. In contrast religious laws and regulations never change and leave no room for improvement in an ever changing social environment.
The only people who benefit from religions are the priests. This has been recognized at least 5000 years ago. Thus 5000 or more years ago declared the Vedas to be incoherent rhapsodies whose only usefulness was to provide livelihood to priests. They also held the belief that Vedas were invented by man, and had no divine authority. The same can be said of any religion and/or religious texts.
In many religions including Hinduism and Christianity, fire is still made for poojas and ceremonies by the ancient way of rubbing two pieces of wood together. It is the same way with all religious practices and morals and dharma or whatever you call it.
In conclusion teaching religion in schools is a sheer waste of time like teaching children to how to make fire by rubbing wood together when we already have matches and other implements which can make fires without even a fraction of the effort in making the fire by rubbing wood together.
On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 at 15:27, Deva Sarran Samaroo devasamaroo@hotmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Xavierji
Glad you have read the Vedas. The Discussion is should HINDUISM BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS AND COLLEGES LIKE CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM ?.
AND WHAT SHOULD BE THE CONTENTS OF THE THE CIRRICULUM.
Deva
From: aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 9:24:11 AM
To: Arya Arya <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [aryayouthgroup] Re: HINDUISM NOT BEING TAUGHT IN INDIAN SCHOOLS
I have read the Rig Vedas and read about the other Vedas. All of them are hymns in favor of some of the Vedic gods.
There is no science or Dharma in the Vedas. My number is India-9388605944. Calling me on the phone may not be the best way. Instead cite verses from the VEdas which promote Dharma. I have also cpointed out the violence in Vedic scriptures. But you do not reply. Instead you go on repeating the same thing. This is not a fair discussion.
Dharma means obligations or duties or laws. These change with everyday as the society develops. So dharma written 3000 years ago cannot be useful today since we have a different way of life from the Vedic age.
On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 17:46, 'K. C. Garg' kcg831@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Mr. Xavier William,
If you are honestly interested in knowing about the Vedas please give me a call at 0172-4010679
or give me your telephone number I will call you.
Thank you.
Krishan Garg
On Saturday, January 11, 2020, 08:00:34 AM GMT+5:30, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Garg,
Can you please cite some verses from the Vedas which teach Dharam. The Vedas are nothing but praises to the gods. First read the Vedas and then make such pompous claims..
As for Dharam it is not something fixed. Our sense of ethics and morals changes with time. So what was Dharam yesterday is not dharam today and what is dharam today will not be dharam tomorrow. So to say that dharam should fixed on some ancient scriptures is absurd.
In the past slavery, sati, caste etc were Dharam, but not any more. What is more we now have millions of codes and rules for our modern life. For instance what does the vedas or the bible say about traffic rules, banking rules, cyber laws, copyright laws and so on. Our parliament and assemblies are making rules and laws at every session in accordance with modern life. So why should we go back to our illiterate and ignorant ancestors for guidance on modern life? Ancient laws are as suited for modern life as a chisel and hammer are suited for repairing modern computers.
On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 06:56, 'K. C. Garg' kcg831@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Vedas are the books that tell you all about the humanity, which is Dharam and not religion.
Dharam is for all men and women and religion is only for a sect.
Dharam is given by God for the whole universe. Religion is made by a human being.
Krishan Garg
On Friday, January 10, 2020, 08:02:47 PM GMT+5:30, shirish dave smdave1940@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hinduism must be taught at High School and university level
Hinduism is complete in its self. It is the religion fit for every type of person.
Geeta and Adwait are the top subjects of Hindu religion.
On Wednesday, 8 January, 2020, 01:21:04 am IST, Deva Sarran Samaroo <devasamaroo@hotmail.com> wrote:
IS THERE A LAW THAT BANMING THE TEACHING OF HINDUISM IN INDIAN SCHOOLS
AFTER CHECKING AND SEARCHING AND EXAMINING FACTS UNABLE TO FIND A NEHRU LAW THAT BANNED TEACHING OF HINDUISM IN SCHOOLS
HOPE TAKE GOVERNMENT TAKES NOTE AND MY FRIEND SHRI PRAKASH JAVADEKAR TAKES NOTE
History states that British stopped state subsidy of schools and that resulted in illiteracy.
I have been reading that Nehru banned teaching of Hinduism religion in schools.
While Muslims and Christians are allowed to do so.
On googling I could not find any LAW BANNING THE TEACHING OF HINDUISM ON SCHOOLS
SO WHERE DID THIS MOTION COMES FROM?
THE QUESTION IS -- IS THERE A LAW WHICH OVERTLY OR COVERTLY STOP THE TEACHING OF HINDUISM IN SCHOOLS?
There is no such law that directly bans Hindu religious teaching.
The RTE, however, is causing problems to educational institutions run by Hindus.
Since such institutions are most likely to teach Hinduism-related content, when such schools are suffering (as opposed to minority-run schools), it is indirectly have consequences and impacts the imparting of the Hindu religion and religious believes based teachings to our children and future generation.
PM NARENDRA MODIJI IT IS TIME TO CORRECT THIS ANOMALY.
THUS I PRAY
--
"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymous
A man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!
The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover
--
"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymous
A man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!
The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover
--
"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymous
A man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!
The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover
--
"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymous
A man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!
The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover
--
"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymous
A man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!
The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover
--
"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymous
A man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!
The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover
--
"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymous
A man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!
The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover
--
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