The most difficult thing about the Christian concept of the Trinity is that there is no way to perfectly and completely understand it. The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain. God is infinitely greater than we are; therefore, we should not expect to be able to fully understand Him. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also teaches that there is only one God. Though we can understand some facts about the relationship of the different Persons of the Trinity to one another, ultimately, it is incomprehensible to the human mind. However, this does not mean the Trinity is not true or that it is not based on the teachings of the Bible.
The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word "Trinity" is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God—three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who make up God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word "Trinity" does exist in Scripture. The following is what God's Word says about the Trinity:
1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).
2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:126, 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; 48:16; 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17; 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26; 3:22 11:7and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for "us" is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun "us" are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.
In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity.
3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, "LORD" is distinguished from "Lord" (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the "LORD" (Numbers 27:18) and from "God" (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity—the Father.
4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).
5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7; and especially John 16:13-14.
6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father initiates all of these things.
The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1; 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.
The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.
There have been many attempts to develop illustrations of the Trinity. However, none of the popular illustrations are completely accurate. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves, just as the skin, flesh, and seeds of the apple are parts of it, not the apple itself. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better, but it still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration.
The doctrine of the Trinity has been a divisive issue throughout the entire history of the Christian church. While the core aspects of the Trinity are clearly presented in God's Word, some of the side issues are not as explicitly clear. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God—but there is only one God. That is the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Beyond that, the issues are, to a certain extent, debatable and non-essential. Rather than attempting to fully define the Trinity with our finite human minds, we would be better served by focusing on the fact of God's greatness and His infinitely higher nature. "Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?" (Romans 11:33-34).
To: thomasmathew47@hotmail.com; keralites@yahoogroups.com
From: pskoya2004@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 22:22:25 -0700
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] (Trinity) God teachings or Man's
The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word "Trinity" is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God—three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who make up God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word "Trinity" does exist in Scripture. The following is what God's Word says about the Trinity:
1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).
2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:126, 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; 48:16; 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17; 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26; 3:22 11:7and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for "us" is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun "us" are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.
In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity.
3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, "LORD" is distinguished from "Lord" (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the "LORD" (Numbers 27:18) and from "God" (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity—the Father.
4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).
5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7; and especially John 16:13-14.
6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father initiates all of these things.
The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1; 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.
The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.
There have been many attempts to develop illustrations of the Trinity. However, none of the popular illustrations are completely accurate. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves, just as the skin, flesh, and seeds of the apple are parts of it, not the apple itself. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better, but it still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration.
The doctrine of the Trinity has been a divisive issue throughout the entire history of the Christian church. While the core aspects of the Trinity are clearly presented in God's Word, some of the side issues are not as explicitly clear. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God—but there is only one God. That is the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Beyond that, the issues are, to a certain extent, debatable and non-essential. Rather than attempting to fully define the Trinity with our finite human minds, we would be better served by focusing on the fact of God's greatness and His infinitely higher nature. "Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?" (Romans 11:33-34).
To: thomasmathew47@hotmail.com; keralites@yahoogroups.com
From: pskoya2004@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 22:22:25 -0700
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] (Trinity) God teachings or Man's
I already told in my message that it is not for an argument. I think that my friend has noted that. To know the basic logic behind the trinity only I sent. I know that you can not come with definit. As you claim that Jesus came for human being as GOD's son and why not peaple can not understand his tachings. So, you the people must explain the trinity so that we can understand clearly. Dont feel bad as you are christian or I am muslim. We are all human beings to live together to help each other. Jesus is not belongs to you only. He is for every one. He was not killed and nobody can do that. He will come and rule and lead a family life and will die. As a human being and the rules set by GOD for human beings, he has to die and there is no second birth or die for human beings.
So, to be patient until his arrival which will reveal all the truths. We are not arguing with you but to find the truth. I know that everybody can give their own definition and it will not end. Let us wait and see. Take it easy my friend and keep all our belives for the goodness of human beings. That is all.
regards
PSK.
From: Thomas Mathew <thomasmathew47@hotmail.com>
To: keralites@yahoogroups.com; pskoya2004@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 4:18 AM
Subject: RE: [www.keralites.net] (Trinity) God teachings or Man's
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Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 4:18 AM
Subject: RE: [www.keralites.net] (Trinity) God teachings or Man's
Dear All
Unfortunately people get into arguments on issues which they have no idea. The question of trinity is beyond the comprehension of common people and should be left to the people who know about it. Definitely it is not for a Muslim to comment on the beliefs of Christianity.
Thomas Mathew
To: Keralites@YahooGroups.comFrom: pskoya2004@yahoo.comDate: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:42:27 -0700Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] (Trinity) God teachings or Man's
First I would like to say that this is not for an argument but want more explanation.
We are all creations of GOD. Thus we can also claim that our father is GOD. You may question it since there is a middle man. Then the first man, Adam is the Son of GOD.
Since there is no middle man to Jesus's birth, you claim that his father is GOD. Actually there is no meaning in it. He is one of the prophets.
Please explain without quoting from somebody, if you can. The logic behind your claim.
Our worship must be to GOD only and you are aware that there is no middle man required to carry it. Everybody is controlled by GOD and thus everybody has link with GOD. He is the supreme power and there is no ruler for him.
regards
PSK
From: subin benjamin <subinbenjamin@gmail.com>
To: Keralites <Keralites@YahooGroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] (Trinity) God teachings or Man's
To: Keralites <Keralites@YahooGroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] (Trinity) God teachings or Man's
Dear ,[
I wanted to explain you each and every point you mentioned here on Why Jesus is not GOD and 'Some people' believe in trinity. but it is a vast subject which cannot be encapsulated in this small square space of a mail box ,However , i will give you main points .
It is difficult for many to understand because In John 12 --Isaiah says : "He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn--and I would heal them. "Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him.
1)Philippians 2: Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:6Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death-- even death on a cross!
2)Colossians 2: For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
3)Matthew 28: 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
4)2 Corinthians 13: 14May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
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Many will not be able to follow this because :
Job 11: 7"Can you fathom the mysteries of God? Can you probe the limits of the Almighty? 8They are higher than the heavens -- what can you do? They are deeper than the depths of the grave -- what can you know? 9Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea.
As i told , this is not so simple to understand .. it takes lot of effort to learn the trinity
Stay Blessed ..
Thanks
I wanted to explain you each and every point you mentioned here on Why Jesus is not GOD and 'Some people' believe in trinity. but it is a vast subject which cannot be encapsulated in this small square space of a mail box ,However , i will give you main points .
It is difficult for many to understand because In John 12 --Isaiah says : "He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn--and I would heal them. "Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him.
1)Philippians 2: Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:6Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death-- even death on a cross!
2)Colossians 2: For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
3)Matthew 28: 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
4)2 Corinthians 13: 14May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
--------------------------------------
Many will not be able to follow this because :
Job 11: 7"Can you fathom the mysteries of God? Can you probe the limits of the Almighty? 8They are higher than the heavens -- what can you do? They are deeper than the depths of the grave -- what can you know? 9Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea.
As i told , this is not so simple to understand .. it takes lot of effort to learn the trinity
Stay Blessed ..
Thanks
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 1:41 AM, Lucille Anderson <lucilleanderson12@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Trinity)God teachings or Man'sSome people believe in the Trinity teachingsif this is true then why isn' the word Trinityin the bible".people believe that God Jesus and the ,Holy Spirit is one God.Jesus and his Father are one, just like a,husband and wife are one.they are in union with each other but they,are two different people but are on one,accord with each other... Like Jesus ,and GodThey say that God Jesus And The,Holy Spirit are all equal.none higher, lesser or greater.Read John 14-28... where Jesus is telling,his disciples the Father is greater than,
himself that alone tells us that Jesus is not ,equal to God also read Matthew 3-16Jesus is the son of God...not God himself... also turn your bibles,over to John-3-16 which tells us that God,gave us his only begotten son...againthis also prove that Jesus is not God...Now if Jesus was God, why then do it,says inMatthew 24-36concerning that day and hour nobody knows,neither the angels of heavens nor the son.But only the FatherNow if Jesus was God...wouldn't he ,know of that day and hour?Read John 11-41... Before Jesus Rose ,Lazarus from the dead who was Jesus ,praying to? was it himself ? of course not..He was praying to the Father.now if Jesus was God why then wouldhe pray to himself ? make no senseJesus is the son of God...and the scripturesproves it... still i can't even find the word,Trinity in the Bible... matter of the fact,in any bible...The Trinity is man teaching...and not God'sGod has no beginning nor endJesus has a beginning and also he died and,rose in three days if Jesus was God then,who was running things when God,was dead for those three days?
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