Thursday, 7 June 2012

[www.keralites.net] TOPICS OF INTEREST FOR SENIOR CITIZENS !& TRAVELLERS

 

While WILL is a general way of transferring assets to any one, the more common need happens to be to bequeath to progeny or siblings. This is easily achieved by SETTLEMENT which is easy and is done at a fraction of the cost and time involved in conveying property by WILL. This aspect is mostly not being mentioned generally.

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SOME TOPICS OF INTEREST FOR SENIOR CITIZENS
(Compiled from Monthly Journal of the Accountants General Offices Pensioners' Association April 2012 Issue)

THE WILL

WHAT IS WILL ?

    A "will" is a disposition of property made by a person during the life time but intended to take effect after his death. The word "WILL" is defined in Sec.2(h) of The Succession Act, 1925. "WILL" means the legal disposal of the intension of the testator with respect to his property which he desires to be carried into effect after his death.

Main Characteristics of a WILL are :

1.    A will must be intended to come into effect after death of the testator.
2.    A will is revocable by the testator at any time.
3.    Generally Wills are made for disposition of property, but they can also be made for creating Trust and appointing executors.
4.    A Will may be for appointing a guardian for minor children.

When one should write a will ?

Make a will when you are in sound mental and physical health condition. It is advisable to write a will early in life, additions can be made or revised whenever the need arises. Death comes at all ages and without warning.
 
Why one should write a WILL?

    If you want to bless your children bless them with a will and save them from harassment at the hands of municipal authorities, Banks, Insurance companies, Revenue Offices, Courts and last but not least, the greedy relatives.

Generally, every one neglects to write a 'WILL". Common reasons are :

a)    I am too young to write a WILL.
b)    I do not have a big estate.
c)    I have nominees for my assets and hence I do not need a WILL at all etc.

But the reality in life is otherwise. Age is not a key-factor. There is nothing you can give guarantee to yourself that you can live up to ripe old age.

Size of the Estate is not at all the criteria. Even a small house costs Rs.50 lakhs in the cities in present days. Nominee holds the asset in trust and pass it on to the legal heirs. Nominee cannot replace the legal heir.

IMPORTANT FACTORS to be kept in mind while writing a WILL

a)    While making a will, always consult the spouse who traveled with you leaving all her earlier friends and parents.
b)    Do not neglect the married daughters. They always look at, at least, for a small piece of parental property in memory of parents.
c)    Mention full identifiable details of the property, names and age of the heirs, beneficiaries.
d)    Clearly mention the share of each beneficiary. It is advisable to keep the entire property with the spouse and passed on to all legal heirs only after her demise.

Whether registration of a will is compulsory ?

    In general, registration is not necessary. However, registration is advisable for practical and legal reasons. Unregistered will on a white paper with two witnesses is enough if one has limited uncomplicated properties like a house and fixed deposits etc. On the other hand, if some of the properties are under litigation, having disputes in title, business property, having properties without nominations like insurance, bonds, etc., a registered will carries more weight. Registered will is an unsuspicious evidence where as unregistered will pay give scope of suspicion whether it is genuine or otherwise. In case, there is no nomination, a registered will is necessary for mutation purposes and also useful to get money from PF, Gratuity, LIC Policy, Banks, Mutual Funds, Bonds, Shares, Post Office Deposits etc. Even for transfer of a motor car, one needs preferably, a registered will. If you are a business man, you need to decide who takes over your business after your demise. In a proprietary concern, if you do not leave a registered will, all heirs will become owners of your business. At the time of presentation of an unregistered will (in the absence of a registered will), other legal heirs generally dispute and results in filing declaration suit incurring huge expenditure on avoidable litigation.

    These days, a large number of parents have all their children settled abroad. For their sake, it is highly desirable and even essential to write and register a will. The properties of such parents after their demise are vulnerable to the greed of dishonest persons trying to grab the property by any means either fair or foul. Government has now permitted to send the sale proceeds of such properties to the children settled abroad. Under Foreign Exchange Management Act (FEMA), an amount up to one million US Dollars can be remitted to outside India in one calendar year, through normal banking channel provided a certificate from a Chartered Accountant certifying that tax for all transactions have been paid and evidence of inheritance of the property shown to the bankers for such remittances. Bank authorities may not be convinced with an unregistered will written on white paper.

    If we go to any government department or financial organization to claim our title and at the time of mutation (changing the title) in favour of beneficiary of the will at municipal offices, electricity department, water and sewerage board office for payment of taxes, electricity bills and water bills and show a will on white paper unregistered, everyone will look at us suspiciously. If you show a registered will, nobody will question about your claim. – This is the difference.

    Except in some cases as mentioned above, the will written on white paper and unregistered is perfectly valid. The essential factor on will is "signature of two witnesses" preferably young and reliable. If a person writing a will is very old, a certificate from a Doctor be obtained on the will itself regarding the physical and mental health of the writer, will have an added validity.

    Most of us believe that on the demise of an individual, all property including money, shares, FDs etc., will automatically pass on to the spouse. There is no such provision in any law. Property passes to all legal heirs. Spouse becomes one of the legal heirs. So it is the responsibility of the spouse to ensure that spouse writes will and this is the only way for smooth transfer of title of property among the family members. If wife an husband have different properties, both must write separate wills. All those who are childless or single family member or unmarried male/female must write a will and get it registered to avoid future consequences of legal troubles of succession.

What happens when there is no "Will"?

    If one dies in testate (without telling his desire), the individual's property goes to all legal heirs as per law. If there is dispute among legal heirs, they have to approach court for obtaining a succession certificate.

    After the matter is settled, "legal heir certificate" on stamped paper of 2.5% of the value of the property is issued. If total property is worth Rs. One crore, stamp duty shall be two lakh fifty thousand and some more thousands in advocate fee and delay of five or six years, coupled with disturbance in peaceful life of the children, could be caused.

    In case of properties purchased from Housing Boards, Municipal Development Authorities or from Power of Attorney Holders, please get the mutation done as early as possible. Many people are reluctant to get lease hold property be converted into free hold property thinking that they are in possession or having power of attorney/a will in their favour. But they must know that power of attorney lapses with the death of executor. "Will" comes into effect only after the death of the person who writes it. Even after his death, finding the witnesses may become difficult. More important at the time of transfer of property from lease hold is that the seller (MDA or Housing Board etc.,) may insist a "no objection" affidavit from legal heirs, if will is in favour of someone other than legal heir. In such circumstances, it is doubtful if any legal heir gives a no objection affidavit to a power of attorney holder or beneficiary of a will. Cost of conversion from lease hold to free hold is increasing day by day due to increase in land prices. So conversion from leasehold to freehold at the earliest is the best.

What can be bequeathed (mention) in the will?

     All self earned properties, movable or immovable can be bequeathed. For ancestral properties, the law of succession will apply. The property inherited from a person other than father, grandfather, great grandfather etc., is considered to be self-acquired, therefore, can be willed. Give the full details of the property, name, age, full address and location, full description from whom it is bought etc. Similarly give description of business, shares, FDs etc. One should consider proper care in using the words. Generally, all properties bequeathed first to spouse and after spouse's demise distribute to sons and daughters. One can also mention that spouse has full right to sell the movable or immovable property. One can straight away distribute the property to all legal heirs including spouse.

Drafting the Will?

      One should take proper care in using the words. I will mention one or two cases brought to my notice about the usage of words in the will and consequential effects. --- One has written a will equally distributing the properties between his two sons. He also mentioned "My wife will have right to stay in the house owned by me". Can you guess what happened? She has been forced to live in a small car garage, since is also the part of the house owned by her husband.

Another case: A person had seven portions house. He had seven children (4 sons + 3 daughters). Gave the seven portions to seven children through a will. He also writes "My wife lives on her pension". He did not mention any separate portion of the house to wife thinking that she will stay along with their children in any portion/portions as she likes. Hence, no specific mention is necessary. After his demise, all the seven children gave their respective portions of the house to rent and gone to their work places located at other cities. Mother has practically no place to stay as per the will. She is now in a rented house spending nearly more than 50% of her pension towards rent. No child wants to lose their rental income from gifted property, which caused her homeless.

    I recollect one saying which is popular in Rayalaseema area.

    "You think all the people, including your wife and children are bad, it is for them to prove otherwise." It appears, in these days, a very valuable saying.

T. Bhaskara Sharma


TRAIN YOUR WIFE AS A WIDOW :
"JAATHASYA MARANAM DHRUVAM"

     
1.    The senior citizens – at the advanced age, should be prepared to face any eventuality with ease and grace.

2.    AGOPA NEWS, January 2012, has listed out certain "End of life issues" with the courtesy of "Bharat Pensioners". The following few lines are supplementary to the list. They are for the benefit of those few who are confined to the four walls of the house.

3.    If you initiate a talk before your wife about the courses of action to be taken by her after your death, she may not relish and it will not be palatable. The sentiments are strong and sensitive. But you must educate her indirectly and make her do some practical exercises so that she may gain experience and confidence.

4.    Drawal of pension from the bank account – operation of the account by your spouse

Government of India have issued orders in 2005 for payment of pension by credit to joint bank account operated by a pensioner with his/her spouse. If your wife is not aware of the process of writing cheques, tell her a small story as follows:

Smt. "X" was not aware of the process of writing a cheque. She took the pass book and cheque book to the bank and sought the help of somebody in the bank for withdrawal of Rs.1,000/-. Smelling her innocence, the stranger drew the cheque for RS.10,000/-, took her signature and withdrew the cash. He gave only Rs.1,000/- to her and returned the passbook for presenting it later for entries. The innocent lady was duped.

Then encourage her to make out a cheque for a small amount. Do not get annoyed even if one or two cheque leaves are damaged. Take her to the bank and guide her to complete the encashment. Throw a smile on her face and appreciate and applaud her capacity. Induce confidence in her and let her continue the process whenever cash has to be withdrawn. Tell her the power of drawing cheques is delegated to her. She will gain strength and will be elated. The procedure for withdrawing money from the Post Office Savings Bank account should be explained and she must be encouraged to do so practically.

5.    Remittance into SB A/c.

    Tell her a small story about a lady who went to bank for remittance of cash into the SB Account and sought the help of somebody for making out the "Pay in Slip". Who prepared the pay-in-slip, took her signature and pretended as if he is helping her from the ordeal of standing in the "Q". He scribbled something on the counterfoil – gave it to her and disappeared, without actually remitting the cash.

    Then explain how the "Pay in Slip" should be prepared and remittance made. Continue the process whenever cash has to be remitted into the SB Account, in bank or Post Office.

6.    What she should do immediately after your departure ?

     Tell a story that Mrs. "X" is suffering for want of money after the death of her husband Sri "K" or she is not getting her family pension. Tell her that people were coming to Sri "K" during his life time for advice and guidance and that nobody turned up for rendering any help after his departure.

    Tell her that after the initial grief and completion of rituals, she should muster strength and courage to go out to obtain the "Death Certificate" from the Municipality/Panchayat. Take her out for a stroll and show the Municipal/Panchayat Office. Prepare the following when you are alive and give her 3 or 4 sets of each to be signed by her as and when occasion arises :

i.    Covering letter to be given to bank along with the death certificate leaving only the date of death blank.
ii.    Form 14, i.e.,. Application for grant of family pension duly filling in all the columns except the date of death.

Tell her that these documents should be given to the bank duly obtaining acknowledgement.

At this hour of distress, she will thank you in her heart of hearts, how much you cared for her.

7. Family Pension to the Unmarried/Widowed/Divorced daughter

    God forbid such situation should not arise. Pension rules have been liberalized to provide social security to the members of the family. Many pensioners (including some in service) are not aware that the unmarried/widowed/divorced daughter and parents are eligible for family pension after the death of the family pensioner in Category 1. (Please see relevant orders issued recently). Therefore, when you are live, you make out a case, write to the competent authority and obtain a letter of sanction. Make out copies along with Form 14 and instruct your unmarried/widow/divorced daughter, if any, to be acted upon when occasion arises. Tell her that nobody would advice and help her when a situation arises.

8.    Nomination

    In the absence of valid nomination, legal heir certificate may have to be produced to withdraw amounts from the bank etc. Obtaining legal heir certificate involves effort, time and money. Therefore, when you re alive, make sure that nominations have been given for all your bank accounts, term deposits, Post Office SB, RD, MIS, SCSS, NSCs etc. Bank/Post Office may not record the name of nominee as furnished to the bank/PO in the document and tell your wife/children that so and so is nominated for different investments, as it need not be a secret at that age.

9.    Family Contingency Fund

    Create a contingency fund of say Rs.5,000/- or 10,000/- from out of your savings and keep it safely in hard cash in the house. Tell her that the amount may be utilized under emergency circumstances on a Saturday/Sunday or a Public holiday when banks are not functioning or till payment of the family pension is commenced.

10.    Recording signature

     Giving illustrations of fraud, tell her emphatically, repeatedly and impressively that she should not sign any document, cheque or any other paper without taking a second opinion, and not to sign on a blank paper under any circumstances. You must be dinning this instruction into her ears frequently.

11.    The Will

    Take her into confidence and explain the contents of the WILL executed by you. At the advanced stage of your life, nothing should be secret, at least in so far as your wife is concerned, discuss with her putting forth your ideas, desires etc., and write the WILL, if no WILL was executed till then. If any changes become necessary at a later date, in view of the developments in the family, after execution of the WILL, make out a CODICIL. Speak out your desires and opinions frankly and openly to her. Explain how she should proceed in dealing with your hard money property and in implementing your desires.

M. Narayana Murthy
Retd. Sr.Audit Officer


               Always take a small fridge magnet on your holiday, they come in handy at the end of it. Never even thought about key cards containing anything other than an access code for the room ?
Ever wonder what is on your magnetic Hotel room key card?

Answer:
a. Customer's name
b. Customer's partial home address
c. Hotel room number
d. Check-in date and out dates
e. Customer's credit card number and expiration date!

When you hand them back to the front desk your personal information is there for any employee to access by simply scanning the card in the hotel scanner. An employee can take a hand full of cards home and using a scanning device, access the information onto a laptop computer and go shopping at your expense.
Simply put, hotels don't erase the information on these cards until an employee reissues the card to the next hotel guest. At that time, the new guest's information is electronically 'overwritten' on the card and the previous guest's information is thus erased. But until the card is rewritten for the next guest, it usually is kept in a drawer at the front desk with YOUR INFORMATION ON IT!

The bottom line: Keep the cards, take them home with you, or destroy them. NEVER leave them behind in the room or room wastebasket, and NEVER turn them into the front desk when you check out of a room.

For the same reason, if you arrive at the airport and discover you still have the card key in your pocket, do not toss it in an airport trash basket. Take it home and destroy it by cutting it up, especially through the electronic information strip!
OR,

If you have a small magnet, pass it across the magnetic strip several times. Then try it in the door, it will not work. It erases everything on the card.
Information courtesy of: Metropolitan Police, London.

PLEASE FORWARD to all those friends & family who travel.


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[www.keralites.net] 5 Simple Ways To Reduce Your Calorie Intake

 

5 Simple Ways To Reduce Your Calorie Intake

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Going to the gym every morning might not be possible for all of us. And those guilt provoked three days/weekend works out is what you try to fit into your busy schedules. 

But how helpful are they and more over how loyal are you to them? So if your lifestyle forces you to  cheat on your exercise routine, here's what you can do to keep your weight under control. 

We tell you five simple ways to reduce your calorie intake to keep yourself healthy.

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Eggs for Breakfast: 

Eggs are the perfect breakfast time. For starters, eggs are loaded with protein which needs a longer time to get fully digested. Two eggs, when eaten in the boiled or omelet form, comprise a healthy breakfast, of course, along with a few slices of whole grain bread. This combination of protein and complex carbohydrates helps to prevent spikes in blood sugar levels and keeps the digestive system engaged for a longer period, preventing you from feeling hungry soon.

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Drink water before your meal

Half a glass of water before your meal will fill you up. This way the chances of overeating reduce drastically. This way, you will also reduce the chances of feeling stuffed post the meal.

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Switch to skimmed milk 

Replace your regular packet milk to a low calorie skimmed milk. Add the healthier milk to your morning cup of java. Another option for you is goat milk as it is tastier and healthier than the regular high-on-cream milk.

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Eat slowly

The elders tell you to chew your food for a specific number of times before you swallow it. The trick is that, when you chew your food well, it aids the body in the digestion process. Your body understands the food well and you land up eating almost half of what you would normally eat. 

Ideally, one should spend a minimum of 20 minutes over each meal.

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Select smaller portions 

When eating out eat only half the portion of what has been served to you. Share the meal with your partner. 

Outside foods normally come in large portions and added ingredients like soda and Ajinomoto make the food difficult to digest. So, the next time you go to a deli split your serving with your partner.

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Resist the calorific food

When you next visit a subway avoid adding mayonnaise, cheese to the sub. Initially, the flavour might be difficult to adjust but eventually you would get used to it. Replace the mayo with mustard. Bread is an integral part of our diet these days, switch to a lighter bread that will cut down upto 100 calories at least.

It is always best to carry your own lunch and eat wholesome home cooked food. Eat as many vegetables as you can and also make sure that you add a lot of colour to your platter. When craving for sweets, avoid chocolates or other desserts, binge on fruits or yogurts to satisfy the craving. If you follow these few tips while eating, your calorie count will steadily come under control and you will never have to feel guilty about missing your workout!


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RE: [www.keralites.net] (Trinity) God teachings or Man's

 

The most difficult thing about the Christian concept of the Trinity is that there is no way to perfectly and completely understand it. The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain. God is infinitely greater than we are; therefore, we should not expect to be able to fully understand Him. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also teaches that there is only one God. Though we can understand some facts about the relationship of the different Persons of the Trinity to one another, ultimately, it is incomprehensible to the human mind. However, this does not mean the Trinity is not true or that it is not based on the teachings of the Bible.

The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word "Trinity" is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God—three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who make up God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word "Trinity" does exist in Scripture. The following is what God's Word says about the Trinity:

1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).

2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:126, 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; 48:16; 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17; 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26; 3:22 11:7and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for "us" is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun "us" are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.

In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity.

3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, "LORD" is distinguished from "Lord" (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the "LORD" (Numbers 27:18) and from "God" (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity—the Father.

4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).

5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7; and especially John 16:13-14.

6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father initiates all of these things.

The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1; 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.

The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.

There have been many attempts to develop illustrations of the Trinity. However, none of the popular illustrations are completely accurate. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves, just as the skin, flesh, and seeds of the apple are parts of it, not the apple itself. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better, but it still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration.

The doctrine of the Trinity has been a divisive issue throughout the entire history of the Christian church. While the core aspects of the Trinity are clearly presented in God's Word, some of the side issues are not as explicitly clear. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God—but there is only one God. That is the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Beyond that, the issues are, to a certain extent, debatable and non-essential. Rather than attempting to fully define the Trinity with our finite human minds, we would be better served by focusing on the fact of God's greatness and His infinitely higher nature. "Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?" (Romans 11:33-34).


To: thomasmathew47@hotmail.com; keralites@yahoogroups.com
From: pskoya2004@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 22:22:25 -0700
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] (Trinity) God teachings or Man's

 

I already told in my message that it is not for an argument.  I think that my friend has noted that.  To know the basic logic behind the trinity only I sent.  I know that you can not come with definit.  As you claim that Jesus came for human being as GOD's son and why not peaple can not understand his tachings.  So, you the people must explain the trinity so that we can understand clearly.  Dont feel bad as you are christian or I am muslim.  We are all human beings to live together to help each other.  Jesus is not belongs to you only.  He is for every one.  He was not killed and nobody can do that.  He will come and rule and lead a family life and will die.  As a human being and the rules set by GOD for human beings, he has to die and there is no second birth or die for human beings. 
 
So, to be patient until his arrival which will reveal all the truths.  We are not arguing with you but to find the truth.  I know that everybody can give their own definition and it will not end. Let us wait and see.  Take it easy my friend and keep all our belives for the goodness of human beings.  That is all.
 
regards
PSK.

From: Thomas Mathew <thomasmathew47@hotmail.com>
To: keralites@yahoogroups.com; pskoya2004@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 4:18 AM
Subject: RE: [www.keralites.net] (Trinity) God teachings or Man's
Dear All
Unfortunately people get into arguments on issues which they have no idea. The question of trinity is beyond the comprehension of common people and should be left to the people who know about it. Definitely it is not for a Muslim to comment on the beliefs of Christianity. 

Thomas Mathew

To: Keralites@YahooGroups.comFrom: pskoya2004@yahoo.comDate: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:42:27 -0700Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] (Trinity) God teachings or Man's 
First I would like to say that this is not for an argument but want more explanation.
We are all creations of GOD.  Thus we can also claim that our father is GOD.  You may question it since there is a middle man.  Then the first man, Adam is the Son of GOD.
Since there is no middle man to Jesus's birth, you claim that his father is GOD.  Actually there is no meaning in it. He is one of the prophets.
Please explain without quoting from somebody, if you can.  The logic behind your claim.   
Our worship must be to GOD only and you are aware that there is no middle man required to carry it.  Everybody is controlled by GOD and thus everybody has link with GOD.  He is the supreme power and there is no ruler for him.  
regards
PSK
From: subin benjamin <subinbenjamin@gmail.com>
To: Keralites <Keralites@YahooGroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] (Trinity) God teachings or Man's
Dear ,[

I wanted to explain you each and every point you mentioned here on Why Jesus is not GOD and 'Some people' believe in trinity. but it is a vast subject which cannot be encapsulated in this small square space of a mail box ,However , i will give you main points .
It is difficult for many to understand because In John 12 --Isaiah says : "He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn--and I would heal them. "Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him.


1)Philippians 2: Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:6Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death-- even death on a cross!
2)Colossians 2: For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
3)Matthew 28: 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
4)2 Corinthians 13: 14May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
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Many will not be able to follow this because :

Job 11: 7"Can you fathom the mysteries of God? Can you probe the limits of the Almighty? 8They are higher than the heavens -- what can you do? They are deeper than the depths of the grave -- what can you know? 9Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea.


As i told , this is not so simple to understand .. it takes lot of effort to learn the trinity

Stay Blessed ..
Thanks

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 1:41 AM, Lucille Anderson <lucilleanderson12@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Trinity)
God teachings or Man's
Some people believe in the Trinity teachings
if this is true then why isn' the word Trinity
in the bible".
people believe that God Jesus and the ,
Holy Spirit is one God.
Jesus and his Father are one, just like a,
husband and wife are one.
they are in union with each other but they,
are two different people but are on one,
accord with each other... Like Jesus ,
and God
They say that God Jesus And The,
Holy Spirit are all equal.
none higher, lesser or greater.
Read John 14-28... where Jesus is telling,
his disciples the Father is greater than,
himself that alone tells us that Jesus is not ,
equal to God also read Matthew 3-16
Jesus is the son of God...
not God himself... also turn your bibles,
over to John-3-16 which tells us that God,
gave us his only begotten son...again
this also prove that Jesus is not God...
Now if Jesus was God, why then do it,
says inMatthew 24-36
concerning that day and hour nobody knows,
neither the angels of heavens nor the son.
But only the Father
Now if Jesus was God...wouldn't he ,
know of that day and hour?
Read John 11-41... Before Jesus Rose ,
Lazarus from the dead who was Jesus ,
praying to? was it himself ? of course not..
He was praying to the Father.
now if Jesus was God why then would
he pray to himself ? make no sense
Jesus is the son of God...and the scriptures
proves it... still i can't even find the word,
Trinity in the Bible... matter of the fact,
in any bible...
The Trinity is man teaching...and not God's
God has no beginning nor end
Jesus has a beginning and also he died and,
rose in three days if Jesus was God then,
who was running things when God,
was dead for those three days?
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