Yes.Hindu society also need reforms. No doubt about it. we are having casteism, ldol worship, astrology, discrimination against women etc which are all anti Veda besides being opposed to human
progressBut this sort of open ness is the hallmark of Hindus and totally lacking in Muslims. The Islam is a closed religion and its followers are not open to free and rational thinking. On the other hand they are becoming menace to the march of human progress and welfareVasuSent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 2:01 PM, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup]<aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Vasudeva,Your own admission that "This apart.. Aryasamaj founded by dayanand is the only live and kicking institution which is in the forefront in conducting widow remarriages, intercaste marriages among Hindus, apart from spearheading much needed social reforms" attests that all was not well with the Hindu customs and practices and Hindus needed social reforms and that remains true to this day.On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 at 12:56, vasudeva rao vasu_aryasri@yahoo.co.in [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Dear Xavier
I don't want to entertain debate with men like Kuldip who are morbid haters of Hindus and brahmins. Satyarth Prakash was written in the latter part of 19th century when child marriages were rampant. Swami Dayanand fought against the evils of child marriages and.. In the context of what is written in vedas , manusmrithi and Ayurveda, he prescribed 25 years for male and 16 years of age for female as the minimum years for a marriageOf course he categorised marriages between 25-16, as ordinary, 35-20 as middle and between 48-24 as good. That was based on some principles and elsewhere in the footnote he recommends marriages between 25-16 years. Dayanand was not at all regressive in any aspects of lifeComing to his opposition to remarriage he has recorded his reasons which are genuineHe was aware of the physical, mental hardships encountered by widows.Hence As per the guide lines given in Vedas he advocates Niyoga system prescribed in Vedas. This was prevalent in ancient India during Mahabharata days. This may sound anachronistic to the modern minds but he has given reasons to back up his argumentsDayanand was an advocate of small family norms and explained the hardships encountered in large families. To arrest the clamour to have large families through niyoga he prescribes the limit of ten children for woman and not as ruleIt is funny that kuldip has taken only those points which are debatable in the modern context and avoided meaty subjectsThis apart. Aryasamaj founded by dayanand is the only live and kicking institution which is in the forefront in conducting widow remarriages, intercaste marriages among Hindus, apart from spearheading much needed social reformsVasu
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 6:38 AM, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup]<aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Here below is a reply by an Ambedkerite to Vasudev's claim that Ambedkar appreciated the Vedas and Manusmrithi. Sanghis are trying to rewrite Indian history to suit their dirty agenda.---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Kuldip Kumar <jaikuldip@gmail..com>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 07:21
Subject: Re: [dalit_edu] Re: [aryayouthgroup] IS ISLAM A RELIGION OF PEACE? - DR. ALI SINA
To: dalit edu <dalit_edu@yahoogroups.com>, <vasu_aryasri@yahoo.co.in>, Xavier William <varekatx@gmail..com>Mr VasuI prefer not to indulge in debate over scriptures. But as you have quoted Dr Ambedkar as having "appreciated" Dayanand's Satyarth prakash, I have to intervene.I mince no words to say YOU ARE LIAR. YOU ARE DELIBERATELY MISLEADING THE PEOPLE OF THIS GROUP WITH YOUR BLATANT LIE. SHAME ON YOU.The book does not contain the name of that useless fellow or his book, you call magnum opus.I call Dayanand a useless fellow because he prescribed nonsense Rules for Hindus:1. A man of 48 years should marry a virgin of 24 years It is the IDEAL marriage. Will you Mr Vasudev, marry your sister/daughter of 24 years to a vetran male of 48 years?2. A widow should not be remarried. But she should produce 10 sons from different men.3. Every Hindu married woman must produce 10 sons, and if her husband is incapable, from other men until the target is achieved.4. He said that it is sin if above-noted point 2 and 3 are not followed by the Hindus. So Mr Vasu, is there any Hindu who is not a sinner as per the magnum opus of that nonsense fellow?And you say Dr Ambedkar appreciated such a B...........!!Shame! Shame !!Mr Vasu, gone are the days of manusmiriti. Today the Shudras are studying (you people just chanting) your holy-shit scriptures. And we know the truth written therein..Visit any rally of Mayavati, Chandershekhar etc, you will be surprised to see the crowd outside the main pandala, yes, people crowd the book-stalls there..PLEASE DON'T TAKE PANGA WITH THE AMBEDKARITESKULDIPOn Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 6:18 AM Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [dalit_edu] <dalit_edu@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Vasudeva,The subject matter of this discussion is that Islam is violent as if other religions are not violent.In Vedic times Asuras were always at war with Devas and Vishnu incarnates as Vaman and cheats Mahabali of his kingdom.Parasuram murders Kshatriyas left and right; Ram destroys Lanka to Rescue his wife and then banished her to the forest. Ram also beheads Shambuk because he is a Sudra. The Mahabharrath war is the most violent incident in any epics.Sanghis now sweep all this under the carpet and say that it is not the right version. What right do you or Dayananda Swaraswathy have to say which is the right version and which is the wrong version. Was Dayananda present when the Manusmrithi was written.Coming down to real history, The Mauryas, The Marathas, The Sikhs et al were as violent as Alexander or Caesar or Mohammad.So stop this nonsense about blaming Muslims for their violence while turning a blind eye to our own violence. The Bible is also full of violence and genocide. The fact is that in those days might was right and everyone irrespective of their religion resorted to violence as the first and last resort.On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 at 09:56, vasudeva rao vasu_aryasri@yahoo.co.in [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Sri ZavierManusmrithi contained lot of interpolations, It is estimated that nearly 40% of the Slokas obtaining in Manusmrithi are added later by vested interests. Yes, Dr Ambedkar or for that matter any conscientious person would have taken objection to them Hence it is no wonder that Ambedkar commented on this adversely and burnt this book, He did it only onceThe distortions obtaining in Manusmrtthi were first noticed by Swami Dayanand and he disowned and condemned them. However,he upheld the version of Manusmrithi in conformity with Vedas. For your kind information,swami Dayanand's commentary on Varna system as found in his magnum opus Satyarth Prakash was appreciated by Dr Ambedkar in his book " Who are Sudras"Efforts have been made to bring out the authentic and pure versions of Manusmrithi removing all interpolations, This is a gigantic task and one Dr. Surendra kumar after years of labour has succeeded in bringing our the purer version of Manusmrthi Called " Vishudh Manusmrithi" Needless to say that he belonged to Aryasamaj and worked as Registrar in the Centrally run Kangdi Gurukuk university at Haridwar, But it is in Hindi and English version is yet to see the light of the dayIn this connection, I may add one incident, In Jaipur [ Rajasthan] there exists a statue of Manu. Some Dalit activists agitated for its removal as they felt it offended Dalit sensibilities. The matter went to High court and after hearing arguments put forward by Aryasamaj advocate the judges appreciated the lofty principles of Manusmrithi and allowed the Statue to remain there.You say Narasimha, parushuram , krishna are all violent persons, The characters of Narasimha, Parushuram are mythological in character and they are not real although people believe in them, Krishna is completely on the different ground and he personified the best of Aryan culture, You say he was violent, Read the Mahabharath once again particularly his speeches preceding the Final war, He worked for the peaceful solution to end the war but selfish elements thwarted it. Krishna did not aspire anything, He retired to Mathura and lived as commone later. War and violence may not be in order but becomes justified where truth is to prevail. If you extend your logic then our Cr. P.C and I.P...C becomes violent documents, Is it so.?VasuOn Tuesday, 11 August, 2020, 08:24:21 am IST, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Vasudva,Dont think people are fools.I read Manusmithi from https://www.hinduismfacts.org/hindu-scriptures-and-holy-books/manusmriti/ which is obviously a Sanghi site..If you have another version of the Mnausmrithi please send me the link instead of trying to sweep things under the carpet.It is not only the Manusmrithi that promotes violence and discrimination.Take the avatars of Vishnu such as Narasimha, Parasuram, Vaman, Ram, Krishna. All of them leave death, destruction and deceit in their wake and you say they are peaceful.Take the Arthasastra. That too is full of unethical practices.Take the histories of the Mauryas, the Cholas, The Marathas, the Sikhs....... etc They are also as bloody as the History of Muslims or Christians...Sanghis think that all others are fools who cannot read.On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 at 10:50, vasudeva rao vasu_aryasri@yahoo.co.in [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Sirit is obvious that Sri Zavier has not Manusmrithi nor Vedas. He dishes out things that he has heard or read in sources that are eternally opposed to Sanathana Dharma. Maxmuller the Scholar considered Swami Dayanand as the greatest Vedic Scholar and paid his respects to him, However for men like Zavier he is bigot and intolerant, He has not read the highly popular book " Satyarth Prakash" to know what is contained in Vedas.... It is true that Dr. Ambedkar wrote critical commentary on Manusmrithi but that was based on highly polluted Versions, Now pure Manusmrithi is available and Zavier could read it to remove his misconceptions.VasuOn Monday, 10 August, 2020, 07:47:56 am IST, Xavier William varekatx@gmail..com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:If you have the right to comment on Mohammad and the Koran I have the right to comment on the Manusmrithi and other sccriptures which are as bad or worse than the Koran when it comes to violence and sex......On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 at 11:08, 'K.. C. Garg' kcg831@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:You have no knowledge of Manusmriti.Therefore you have no right to comment on Manusmriti.August 8, 2020, 08:31:06 AM GMT+5:30, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Is there any religion that promotes peace?Manusmrithi is full of discrimination and violence towards Sudras and women. Parsuram was a violent man who went around with his axee and killed the kshatriyas 21 times.The Ramayan and the Mahabharath are epics of unprecedented war and violence.So much for the Hindu scriptures..Then there were historical figures like Harsha, The Mauryas, the Marathas, the Sikhs, The Gurkhas and so forth who lived by war and violence.The Bible is full of unprecedented violence and so are all the scriptures.So before you point your fingers at Muslims look inwards.On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 12:30, 'K. C. Garg' kcg831@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Is Islam a Religion of Peace? Dr.Ali Sina
The truth is that Islam is not a religion of peace; it is a religion of hate, of terror and of war.
Islam, as it is taught in the Quran (Koran) and lived by Muhammad as it is reported in the Hadith (Biography and sayings of the Prophet), is a religion of Injustice, Intolerance, Cruelty, Absurdities, Discrimination, Contradictions, and Blind Faith. Islam advocates killing of the non-Muslims and abuses the human rights of minorities and women. Islam expanded mostly by jihad (war) and forced its way by killing the non-believers. In Islam apostasy is the biggest crime punishable by death. Muhammad was a terrorist himself therefore terrorism cannot be separated from the true Islam.
Muhammad lived a less than holy life. His lust for sex, his affairs with his maids and slave girls, his pedophilic relationship at age 54 with Aisha, a 9-year-old child, his killing sprees, his massacre and genocide of the Jews, his slave making and trading, his assassination of his opponents, his raids and lootings of the merchant caravans and unarmed villagers, his burning of trees, his destroying the water wells, his cursing and invoking evil on his enemies, his revenge on his captured prisoners of war, his torturing of his captives for greed
Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), slay them (9:5), fight with them (8:65), strive against them with great endeavor (25:52), be stern with them because they belong to hell (66:9) and strike off their heads; then after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" for ransom (47:4).
As for the women, the book of Allah is emphatic that they are inferior to men and if they disobey their husbands, the latter have the right to beat them (4:34). Their punishment for disobeying their husbands does not end there because after they die they will go to hell (66:10). The Quran emphasizes the superiority of men by confirming that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies women‟s equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their testimony is not admissible in the court of law unless it is accompanied with the testimony of a man (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Muhammad allowed the Muslim men to marry up to four wives (although he himself had a score of them) and gave them license to enjoy their "right-hand possessions" (women captured in wars), as many as they can capture or afford to buy (4:3), even if the woman is married before being captured (4:24). The man who called himself the holy Prophet and a "mercy of God for all beings" did just that. Jawairiya, Rayhana and Safiya were beautiful young girls who were captured when he raided the tribes of Banu al-Mustaliq, Qurayza and Nadir. The prophet slew their husbands, fathers and their male relatives and let his men rape them while he kept the prettiest for himself and raped her in the same day while they were still in the shock of the loss of their loved ones.
Islam is a cult created by a psychopath. It cannot be reformed. It must be eradicated.
Islam must go because it teaches hate, it orders killing of nonMuslims, it denigrates women and it violates the human rights. Islam must go not because it is false, but because it is destructive, because it is dangerous, because it is a threat to peace and security of humankind. With the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction in Islamic countries, Islam has become a serious and a real threat to the survival of our civilization. In order for you to appreciate the evilness of Islam, let us choose a few verses of the Quran and switch the words "Muslim" and "non-Muslims" and see how they look: - We will cast terror into the hearts of Muslims. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. 8:12 - Let not the non-Muslims take for friends or helpers the Muslims. 3:28 - Rouse the non-Muslims to the fight against Muslims. 8:65 - Then fight and slay the Muslims wherever ye find them, 9:5 - Fight the Muslims, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame. 9:14 - ye the non-Muslims take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love Islam. 9:23 - Ye the non-Muslims! Truly the Muslims are unclean. 9:28 - Ye non-Muslims! Fight the Muslims who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you. 9:123 - Therefore, when ye meet the Muslims, smite at their necks; at length. 47:4
What makes Islam dangerous is not because it is a religion, but because it is not. Islam is a thief in police uniform. The agenda of Islam is entirely imperialistic and political, but its modus operandi is religious. It is this disguise and duplicity that makes Islam unpredictable and dangerous.
--The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymousA man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!--The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymousA man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!--The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymousA man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!--The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymousA man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!--Kuldip
--The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymousA man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!--The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymousA man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!
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