Gentlemen
There's no point in discussing with a semi literate NASRANI who has absolutely no clue of what he speaks about.
His contention is that JESUS CHRIST, of doubtful parentage, pronounced that there shall be light and the SUN was switched on by his minions. Likewise for everything else. There are claims that Jesus Christ visited India and the results was the Bible - a reproduction of all that the HINDU SCRIPTURES .
Our poor Nasrani is so carried away by the morons who shout from their pulpits about the Christian god who created this world and all living things.
I am taking the liberty of quoting the following fro Sri Srinivasa Rao Kanikali:
Wherefrom did the first life come?
The Lord said in Gita,
Bhoomirapo analo vayuh kham mano budhdhi Revacha,
Ahankara miteeyam me bhinna prkrithir ashthadhah.
I repeat that you are either impatient or don't have the intelligence to understand things. It's nice reading your jokes.
P. MADHUSUDAN
On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 7:25 PM Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
The Geetha statement that " He created living beings from the five elements, earth, water, fire, air, space,..." are the ramblings of illiterate minds with very high imagination.Gita talks of five elements earth, water, fire, air, spac. Of these space and fire are mere illusions.Fire is not an element. Instead it is just a state of matter which is heated to a high high temperature. Similarly space is just an illusion created by the limitations of our vision.Sanghis boast all the time about the greatness of Gita. But this is an example of Gita churning out onsense. All ancient scriptures contain such nonsense.
On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 07:14, Srinivasa Rao Kankipati ksrao34g@gmail.com [TheBecoming] <TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Wherefrom did the first life come?The Lord said in Gita,Bhoomirapo analo vayuh kham mano budhdhi Revacha,Ahankara miteeyam me bhinna prkrithir ashthadhah.He created living beings from the five elements, earth, water, fire, air, space, plus two aspects mind and intellect, plus Id, in all eight components. The Lord should not have used the five elements which are chemical in nature, because no spiritualist likes chemicals. Also, He has forgotten to mention that He created life from life, because religionists know, according to authentic information from reliable sources available with them, that life was created from life. (Of course they don't have any proof, but they have a right to bluff because they call themselves spiritualists and know when the first life came into existence and how it came. If you don't agree, they have also a right to hurl abusive words at you and label you as an ignoramus).-Dr KS Rao.On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 08:47, s y kaluskar sykaluskar@hotmail.com [TheBecoming] <TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [TheBecoming] Why Darwin's View of Life is Unscientific? (Part – 3: Many Scientists are still Hypnotized by Darwin's Warm Little Pond)Science can't tell you your own date of birth and hence it is quite obvious that it can't tell us about the origin of first life. At present the practice of science in the field of "origin of life and species" is only an act pure waste of public money in mental speculation.
On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 4:07, Srinivasa Rao Kankipati ksrao34g@gmail.com [TheBecoming]<TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Bhakti Niskama Ji,If God (whoever He may be) has taken 3.77 billion years (with all the resources and intelligence at his command) to bring out man, then it is only fair to allow science to take at least 3,770 years to unravel the mystery of life being born from inanimate matter. Only less than five centuries have elapsed so far for the Scientific Age. Be patient and you will get the answers. You can theorise until then in all possible permutations, no harm, so long as you don't believe your own theories too much out of a sense of proprietorship.KS Rao, MA CAIIB PhD.
On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 23:32, Bhakti Niskama Shanta suresh_bbsr2000@yahoo.com [TheBecoming] <TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
{{{{According to me, science consists of all things proved so far}}}}
Does it has the proof for1. Life coming from Matter – Abiogenesis?(Science is already teaching about it for more than 100 years and the preachers of science – scientists never care to provide proof for the same!)2. Fish coming from bacterium?(Those in science who are preaching that we came from apes, have they ever provided the proof for the same? Such preachers may believe that their forefathers were apes but why they expect whole world should accept it just on the basis of faith?)3. Order coming from explosion – Big bang?(Many gullible people happily accept that by an explosion everything created in our universe but they have problem when it is being told that things are coming by an organic developmental processes [like a miraculous development that we see in embryological development] from first life — God. That is called 'hypnotism of scientists' that our society is suffering at present.)
{{{{God theorists assert that God is monitoring everything in the universe, and also assert that the fact that the universe is running is itself the proof that He is running it. If He is running, then why is there so much evil in this world and why at all He has taken 3.77 billion years to bring, say, the earth and its inhabitants to this shape and that too an imperfect shape?}}}}It appears that you are unaware of the meaning of term God and thus you are using it in such an ignorant manner. Your question sounds like a criminal is asking why he/she has to suffer in jail when the king of the country is capable of giving facility for good life. First of all the criminal must know why he/she landed in jail (material universe) and then the further inquiry can be made about the reality beyond jail (spiritual world) where the conditioning of jail is not present.
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 4:38, Srinivasa Rao Kankipati ksrao34g@gmail.com [TheBecoming]<TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com> wrote:According to me, science consists of all things proved so far, and religion consists of all things not disproved so far. Science will take time to prove that a mysterious force called life will enter a body as soon as it is fit to entertain life. This is an irrefutable fact. But none can throw a challenge to a scientist and ask him to prove it in twenty days or else accept the God Theory, that God is "manifesting" himself in all beings or that he is "running" the universe from his far-off throne. My belief is that God, if he exists, may or may not have created Nature and its rules, by which it gradually evolves and is still evolving. And the glaring fact is that, He wont interfere in Nature's working, no matter how we pray. If He tries to intervene in favour of any favoured person, Nature will say, "Sorry, Sir, Please keep off. I cannot deviate from my rules even if You sponsor". God theorists assert that God is monitoring everything in the universe, and also assert that the fact that the universe is running is itself the proof that He is running it. If He is running, then why is there so much evil in this world and why at all He has taken 3.77 billion years to bring, say, the earth and its inhabitants to this shape and that too an imperfect shape?
On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 21:09, Bhakti Niskama Shanta suresh_bbsr2000@yahoo.com [TheBecoming] <TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
{{{{When you say "You seems to be either impatient or don't have intelligence to understand things" again you are making ad hominem" remarks and attack at the personal level, instead of staying with the facts.}}}}
You have a personality? What are you taking about? It is completely contradicting your own stand. According to your own argument you are nothing more than a bunch of molecules. Chemicals don't have a property like personality, you can yourself check the properties of all subatomic particles, atoms, molecules and their combination, if you find anyone of them have a property of personality then let us know with reference. Laboratory atoms and molecules cannot feel offended and insulated because they have no ability to feel anything. You say that you are being personally attacked by a statement but you are attacking the whole humanity and entire living sphere with your irrational idea that life is nothing but a bunch of chemicals. Please think about that!
{{{{So your whole argument is based on the incredibility of believing that such complex systems can arise naturally.Have you looked at the complexity of an eddy of whirling water?
Have you looked at the complex Lisajou's figures that come out of the motion of coupled pendula?, and what happens to them if you add chaotic trajectories. Have you tried the well known "game of life" where you easily create life-like complexity on your computer screen starting from simple building blocks?
Then you will realize that given enough time, ANY DIGREE OF COMPLEXITY can be achieved.}}}}
Forget about living cell, please do a brain yoga and try to inquire 'can the unguided forces in nature produce the building that you are living from readily available building blocks?' The computer simulation "game of life" is nothing more than a cartoon show which will make children happy with their achievement only in imagination as they often seek happiness from video games. The plain fact is this 'all the scientists in the world working together and using all their science cannot produce a blade of grass.'
{{{{No one has told you that a plane manifested like that. We KNOW how the plane manifested.The question is how living cells came into being. That is being answered by Synthetic Biology.}}}}
Just by using a term synthetic biology you can deceive the gullible public but not to those who understand the fact that scientists always started with chemicals and end up with chemicals, they have no way to produce biology from chemistry. So it is always 'Life comes from Life' - biogenesis and synthetic biology is a term used only to deceive the gullible public and synthetic biologists cannot show by their experiment the process of abiogenesis..
{{{{In 2010, the Venter lab announced that it had created the first bacterium with an entirely synthetic genome with no intervention from "God".}}}}
With proper brain yoga you have to try to understand what Venter actually did and then you will realize that Venter has only achieved a massive genetic engineering in a already existing living cell and it has nothing to do with abiogenesis. You may watch: https://youtu.be/9a6bWllKfmMIt is not surprising for us to see that you are being completely brainwashed by Darwin's warm little pond concept. You need proper brain yoga to come out of this hallucination: Why Darwin's View of Life is Unscientific?
On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 6:37, Bodhi Dhanapala bodhi_dhana@yahoo.com [TheBecoming]<TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com> wrote:When you say "You seems to be either impatient or don't have intelligence to understand things" again you are making ad hominem" remarks and attack at the personal level, instead of staying with the facts..
Now you are saying "If someone tells you that iron, plastic and other materials became complex by the process of evolution over time and thus airplane manifested, then will you believe it? A living cell is even much more exceptionally complex system than an artifact like airplane".
So your whole argument is based on the incredibility of believing that such complex systems can arise naturally.
Have you looked at the complexity of an eddy of whirling water?
Have you looked at the complex Lisajou's figures that come out of the motion of coupled pendula?, and what happens to them if you add chaotic trajectories. Have you tried the well known "game of life" where you easily create life-like complexity on your computer screen starting from simple building blocks?
Then you will realize that given enough time, ANY DIGREE OF COMPLEXITY can be achieved.
Conway's Game of Life
The Game of Life, also known simply as Life, is a cellular automaton devised by the British mathematician John H...
No one has told you that a plane manifested like that. We KNOW how the plane manifested.
The question is how living cells came into being. That is being answered by Synthetic Biology.
That question is being answered already in many labs.
Pollack A. "U.S. Bioethics Commission Gives Green Light to Synthetic Biology." The New York Times. 16 December 2010
In 2010, the Venter lab announced that it had created the first bacterium with an entirely synthetic genome with no intervention from "God".
Annaluru N, Muller H, Mitchel LA, et al. "Total Synthesis of a Functional Designer Eukaryotic Chromosome." Science 344, 55–8 (2014).
Hutchison CA, Chuang R, Noskov VN, et al. "Design and synthesis of a minimal bacterial genome." Science 351, 1414 (2016)
On Sunday, May 24, 2020, 12:10:20 AM GMT-5, Bhakti Niskama Shanta suresh_bbsr2000@yahoo.com [TheBecoming] <thebecoming@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Thank you Devender ji.
This is all common sense and we don't need fertile brains of scientists to understand this. At present it seems scientists and their blind followers don't have even this common sense.
On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 10:23, DevinderSingh Gulati devindersingh...gulati2@gmail.com [TheBecoming]<TheBecoming@yahoogroups..com> wrote:Bravo Surashji. Most cogent reply.
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 10:06 AM Bhakti Niskama Shanta suresh_bbsr2000@yahoo.com [TheBecoming] <TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
You seems to be either impatient or don't have intelligence to understand things.... Our video presentation has given the recent reference about how scientists are perplexed about place of life's origin and thus they are fighting with each other about it. They are far from explaining the mechanism for origin of life.
You have correctly told "The chemical evolution hypothesis in the present context is hypothesis that molecules that can copy themselves (reproduced) evolved from even smaller molecules like methane, carbon dioxide , inorganic phosphates etc., as these are/were abundantly found in the early earth when life appeared some 3.77 billion years ago." but have you ever thought about the stupidity of this proposal by scientists?
If someone tells you that iron, plastic and other materials became complex by the process of evolution over time and thus airplane manifested, then will you believe it? A living cell is even much more exceptionally complex system than an artifact like airplane. It is only those who have no rationality, such dull headed people accept these sort of foolish proposals by scientists and do not protest the miss utilisation of public funds in such wasteful acts of childishness on the name of scientific research.
You are only talking about production of parts (molecules) but those parts are already available in a living cell.. Can scientists produce a cell by joining those parts (by taking needed molecules from a living cell)? Can scientists produce Bodhi Dhanapala by joining the separated parts (say, eyes, nose, kidney, brain and so on) of the body of Bodhi Dhanapala? Think about it! Life (organisms) doesn't come by mechanical assembly or chemical accumulation of parts. Organisms manifest by a miraculous (unknown and unknowable for present mechanistic science) organic developmental process. Even a child can understand this..
On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 4:27, Bodhi Dhanapala bodhi_dhana@yahoo.com [TheBecoming]<TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com> wrote:The chemical evolution hypothesis in the present context is hypothesis that molecules that can copy themselves (reproduced) evolved from even smaller molecules like methane, carbon dioxide , inorganic phosphates etc., as these are/were abundantly found in the early earth when life appeared some 3.77 billion years ago.I don't make ad hominem remarks. I am not ignorant, and neither are you..
What ever Darwin said about it in the 19th century is not relevant now, because we have more detailed knowledge about all this, and it is such science that should be discussed.
Here are some research papers of most recent relevant research:
Research
09 March 2020 | Open Access
Hydrodynamic accumulation of small molecules and ions into cell-sized liposomes against a concentration gradient
How small molecules could have accumulated within hypothetical protocells on the early Earth .…
Hironori Sugiyama, Toshihisa Osaki[…]Taro Toyota
Communications Chemistry 3, 32 (2020)
Research
06 May 2020
Genomic competition for noise reduction shaped evolutionary landscape of mir-4673
Ramin M. Farahani, Saba Rezaei-Lotfi & Neil Hunter
Systems Biology and Applications 6, 12
Research
04 May 2020 | Open Access
Turbulent coherent structures and early life below the Kolmogorov scale
Madison S. Krieger, Sam Sinai & Martin A. Nowak
Nature Communications 11, 2192
30 April 2020 | Open Access
NMR analysis of nucleotide π-stacking in prebiotically relevant crowded environment
Molecular crowding such as that which may occur in model protocells is known to reduce the rate and fidelity of…Communications Chemistry 3, 51
Niraja V. Bapat, Harshad Paithankar[…]Sudha Rajamani
Research
03 April 2020 | Open Access
Intercellular communication between artificial cells by allosteric amplification of a molecular signal
Bastiaan C. Buddingh', Janneke Elzinga & Jan C. M..... van Hest
Nature Communications 11, 1652
Research
11 March 2020 | Open Access
Compositional heterogeneity confers selective advantage to model protocellular membranes during the origins of cellular life
Susovan Sarkar, Shikha Dagar[…]Sudha Rajamani
Scientific Reports 10, 4483
On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 11:13:47 AM GMT-5, Bhakti Niskama Shanta suresh_bbsr2000@yahoo.com [TheBecoming] <thebecoming@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Namaste Bodhi Dhanapala ji.
You seems to be completely ignorant about "chemical evolution" hypothesis. Please spend sometime to learn these subjects and then comment.
We have not yet discussed anything about the problems with the steps after chemical evolution (about biological evolution). However, that will also come in our future parts.
Thank you.
Sincerely,Bhakti Niskama Shanta, Ph.D.
On Thursday, 14 May, 2020, 09:37:17 pm IST, Bodhi Dhanapala <bodhi_dhana@yahoo.com> wrote:
As I already mentioned, "Darwin's warm little pond", or even the fossile record are NOT needed for the theory of evolution which claims that humans descended from apes, and from earlier forms of life, and traces this lineage right down to unicellular living beings (eucaryotes, archea) etc.
We now have evidence from genetics, molecular biology to prove this step by stem. Also, such single cells have now been produced artificially in Vitro.
Unfortunately the U tube speaker does not deal with any of this, but merely claiming that "public money" is being spent for this.
Merely denying some thing is enough.
On Thu May 14 2020 09:19:11 GMT-0500 (EST), Bhakti Niskama Shanta suresh_bbsr2000@yahoo.com [TheBecoming] <thebecoming@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
--The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymousA man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!
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