Monday, 27 April 2020

[www.keralites.net] Re: [TheBecoming] Re: [FHRS_USA] Science in Vedas

 

Sanjeev,
These cowdungees go on repeating the same thing over and over again about their ancient bullshit. I have asked them to cite at least a few verses of the Vedas as evidence to their claim that the Vedas contain science. They do not and cannot do that. Instead they go on repeating the same thing and abusing those who ask for evidence. No wonder 30000 English men were able to subdue 200 crore Cowdungees.
The whole world is going forward while our cowdungees want to go backward.

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 at 18:01, s y kaluskar sykaluskar@hotmail.com [TheBecoming] <TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Science in Vedas

  1. Vedas  is nothing else but only Science, covering every thing in the Cosmos.
  2. Because Mankind  has forgotten the above, its interpretation depends on the mind set of the researcher.
  3. Global Vedic Civilization , practicing Vedas, before Vedas were written down,  has handed down, the  Vedas to succeesive human generations.    
  4. Views are personal
Maj S Y Kaluskar [ Retd ]
Dear Premji, Sardesaiji, Vivekji et. al.

Regarding Sciences in the Vedas.
We can selectively look at certain SLOKAS/ mantras in the Vedas.
We can compare THE WORD OF GOD = CHRISTIANITY N ALLAH= ISLAM and compare that assumptions to the thoughts in the Vedas.

Those writing should stop for a moment and ask themselves these questions.

1) WHICH GOD? IF CHRISTIAN HAVE THERE OWN GOD N MUSLIMS HAVE THEIR OWN ALLAH   THEN HOW MANY GODS ARE THERE IN HEAVEN?

2) IN VEDICISM BRAHM, ISHWARA. ARE THE SUPREME DIVINE COSMIC ENERGY.

3) THE VEDAS AWAKENS THOUGHTS EMOTIONS REFLECTION WISDOM AND REFLECTION  THE PANCH TATVAS TATVAS OF INTELLIGENCE .

4) IT IS FROM THESE FUNDAMENTAL TATVAS PRINCIPLES THAT ALL SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS PHYSICAL WORLD EVOLVED .
IT REMINDS ME OF THE MANTRA

OM PURNAMIDAH PURNAMIDAM PURNAAT PURNA MADHUJYATE PURNASYA PUNAMADAYA PUTNAM EVAH VASHISYATE

DOES THE CHRISTIAN --- MUSLIM CONCEPTS OF HAVE THIS IN THEIR DOCTRINES?

I CAN GO ON BUT WOULD SUGGEST TO EVERY ONE IF WASN'T FOR THE VEDAS,  ANU VEDAS, UNADULTERATED MANU SMRITI AND CERTAIN PURANAS THE WORLD WOULD NOT BE AS IT IS TODAY.

IF 15000 YEARS AGO OUR ANCIENT RISHIS TELL OF THE  of WORD OF THE MANY COSMOS ITS DISTANCES FROM EACH OTHER AND MOTHER EARTH IS BECAUSE OF THE PANCH TATVAS THAT VEDAS HAVE INSTRUMENTED IN MEDITATION WHICH THE WESTERN WORLD CALLED MINDFULNESS.

THE QUESTION IS DOES THE WORD OF GOD IN THOSE DOCTRINES HAVE ANY EVIDENCE.

I SUGGEST TO EVERY ONE PLEASE READ VEDIC WISDOM AND HERITAGE OF VEDIC CULTURE BY SATYAVRATA SIDDANTALANKAR YOUR THOUGHTS WILL BE AWAKEN.

AND HIDDEN YEARS OF JESUS THE CHRIST, CHRIST LIVED IN INDIA

FINALLY WHO IS THIS VIVEK ARYA I GATHER HE LIVES IN USA.

HE ASKED A PERTINENT QUESTION OF WHAT DO I THINK OF ARYA SAMAJ. I WROTE HIM DIRECTLY BUT DID NOT HAVE THE COURTESY TO RESPOND .

I FEEL I WILL RELEASE WHAT I WROTE TO EVERYONE

NAMASTE

DEVA

LONDON

From: FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com <FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Girish Desai desaigeebee@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 3:47:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [FHRS_USA] Science in Vedas
 
 

VIVEKJI, IT WILL BENEFIT ALL IF THIS DISCUSSION IS STOPPED HERE.

girish b desai


On Sunday, April 26, 2020, 12:08:49 AM CDT, vivek arya drvivekarya@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Prem ji


Why are you wasting time behind this person who don't know anything but he thinks that he knows everything.

Vivek


On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 10:23, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA]
 

Dear Sh Premji,

Physical science is ever-improving and there is a time tested methods
to constantly upgrade and advance it.  There is a standard operating
procedure to experimentally validate the hypothesis and accept, 
discard or modify them.  Hence it is a 'live' science and you can see
tremendous progress all around you.  There is a procedure to find out
mistakes in the hypothesis.  There is no such procedure in Vedas hence it
never changes.

As against this, Vedic 'science' does not qualify as science at all.  There
is no reasoning, no experimental validation, no peer review, no cross
verification with actual observations, no falsifiability test, no rational
explanation etc, which are hallmarks of science.  Since there is no method
to test and verify whether the statement is true or false and no falsifiability
test (what evidence will convince you that your assumption is wrong),
it does not change.  Vedas did not change for thousands of years is its
weakness which invalidates it as science.  Science can be proved wrong
because it 's statements are valid and verifiable, they tell you if the assumption
is correct what we will observe etc.  And if such and such effect is not observed
or some other effect is observed rather than predicted, it is analysed again
to check if the assumptions are valid or what modifications are required.
Vedas has no such mechanism.  

I have asked you a simple question as to what will convince you that there 
is no god, Vedas is not from and assisting Viahwakarma (i.e. creationism story)
by humans in maintaining order in-universe is futile grandiose and self importance.  Can you tell what are the tests to check if your statements are
true or false?

You always quote scientists out of context and just cherry-pick what supports
you by twisting their statements. Why don't you accept that what scientists
say is not important but what they prove scientifically?  Have Einstein or
any other scientist proved existence of god?  Do you know his 'definition'
of god does not tally with believers' ideas?  How did Einstein know hidden
variables are known only to god?  What are these hidden variables and 
how Einstein concluded that they are known to god?  You clutch to stray
straws in the wind and draw solid conclusions which are life-changing.  
But extraordinary statements need extraordinary evidence which is not
forthcoming from believers.  

Sanjeev

On Sunday, 26 April, 2020, 07:39:32 am IST, 'Prem Sabhlok' sab_prem@rediffmail.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Dear Sh. Sanjeev Kulkarni,

Kindly appreciate Vedic Physical sciences remained constant for thousands of years and no scientist could prove these wrong. But Physical sciences during the last a few hundred years came to certain contradictory conclusions. Till date physical scientists are doing their best  to know complete properties of all elements on this earth. They have not succeeded till date how these elements got these properties and what is the cause of various scientific laws. 

Vedic Ashvinaus (Scientists) studied physical sciences as part of Metaphysics (spiritual science) and discovered eternal truths in physical, social and spiritual sciences. To day a very large number of scientists are in search of their inner world but refusing to accept the reality that physical sciences in isolation are ignorance and can harm mankind, animate life. Issac Newton, Tyndall, Albert Einstein and many others accepted that all hidden variables are only known to God. 
Regards
Prem Sabhlok
  


 
You don't have to request anyone.  Nobody has time and interest
in such things anyway.  So simply 'unsubscribe' and you will
automatically stop receiving any emails.
 
Sanjeev
 
On Thursday, 23 April, 2020, 11:14:59 pm IST, Ayodhya Shrivastav apshrivastav@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 

Please cut my name from your emailing list.
 

Best Regards,
 
Ayodhya P Shrivastav
 

On Apr 22, 2020, at 10:22 PM, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com" target='_blank' rel=external>jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com');" >FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 

 
Kumar ji,
 
Do you know how the ignorant people reacted when Galileo challenged
their 'holy science in scriptures' and proved it to be wrong?  They were
very furious and thought it is threatening because it pulled them out of
their comfort zones.  They thought the truth is 'bullying' and did not want to
hear about it.  Unfortunately, science and reality cannot be wished away
like this.  Same thing to happen about Vedas too.  Even if some people
prefer to bury their head in sand and pretend nothing is happening around,
only they will remain in dark but not the world.  I will put forward the truth.
I am not here to please anyone.  If the truth hurts, it is their problem.  
 
Sanjeev
 
On Thursday, 23 April, 2020, 01:07:43 am IST, Kumar Arun kumar2786@hotmail.com');" >kumar2786@hotmail.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com');" >fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 

 

Shriman Sanjeevji,
 
Please let every one know about yourself in detail, please be sensitive to other's views and proceed only with "real quotes emerging within our ancient scriptures", please!
 
Respectfully,
 
Kumar Arun
 
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Subject: Re: [FHRS_USA] Science in Vedas
 
Dear Fellow Hindus,
 
We can be respectful to each other, not calling by name other than what is family given, and try to maintain a constructive debate/discussion/rebuttal, etc. This is the better way to learn from each other. Hope the debate continues!
 
With due respect to you all,
 
Kumar Arun
 
 
 

 

Sanjeevji, 
 
stop bullying.
 
admin pl take my name off subscription list.
 
this site discusses only  'SCIENCE IN VEDAS, HANUMAN, a MONKEY GOD AND what error Gandhiji committ."
 
Wasting everybody's time in small matters with curse words and bullying language.
 
girish b desai
 
 
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 12:42:20 AM CDT, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com" target='_blank' rel=external>jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com');" >fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 

 

 
Agree with you.  More things appear to change, more they remain the same.
People will not reply, no counter-argument.  Only this person "knows all" so
banish him.  Is it any wonder these people could not protect their society,
their nation or their women?  They remained slaves of handful of foreigners
having a different mindset.  British were only 3000 when they ruled 40 cr.
Indians.  You can wake up sleeping people.  You cannot do anything for the
people in deep coma of ignorance.
 
Sanjeev
 
On Wednesday, 22 April, 2020, 10:47:39 am IST, vasant sardesai vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in');" >vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com');" >fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 

 

 
r case is smilar to Charvak's
 
V. S. Sardesai
 
On Tuesday, 21 April, 2020, 10:15:20 pm IST, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com" target='_blank' rel=external>jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com');" >fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 

 

 
OK.  I will stop posting on this group.  This is how Charvak was also
'defeated' in India and we all know what happened afterwards.  We 
learn from history that we don't learn from history.  
Good Bye!
 
Sanjeev
 
 
On Tuesday, 21 April, 2020, 08:59:50 pm IST, vivek arya drvivekarya@yahoo.com');" >drvivekarya@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com');" >fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 

 

 
Thanks Raj Ji .
 
On Tuesday, 21 April 2020, 05:55:14 pm GMT+5:30, Raj Shah raj@globalams.com');" >raj@globalams.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com');" >fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 

 

i  agree with Dr.Vivek Arya JI.
 
We all Should ignore " KNOW IT ALL"  Sanjeev.
 
Raj Shah
 
 
 
 
On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:12 AM vivek arya drvivekarya@yahoo.com');" > drvivekarya@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com');" >FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

 

 
No need for me to answer you. Since last many days you are posting comments against Vedas. I dont consider you a serious reader and writer. 
 
 
 
On Tuesday, 21 April 2020, 11:34:52 am GMT+5:30, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com" target='_blank' rel=external> jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com');" >fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 

 

 
And you are Doctor in which discipline?  Which institute conferred
doctorate on you?
 
Sanjeev
 
On Tuesday, 21 April, 2020, 07:57:11 am IST, vivek arya drvivekarya@yahoo.com');" > drvivekarya@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com');" >fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 

Mr Sanjeev will not reply anything because he don't know anything. Better to ignore him. We have lot of works to do.

 
Dr Vivek Arya
 
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 
 
 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

 
 
 

 

 
 
 
 

 


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