Dear Rajesh,
You have been reading my posts onlyfor two months months. But I have been putting up with these cow-dungees for the last ten years or so. They make boisterous claims and statements without any evidence to prove their claims.
This is the 50th time that some cow-dungee makes the claim that the Vedas contain science. In return I ask them to provide evidence by citing a few verses in any of the Vedas which have any scientific significance. If they cite a few verses which have scientific significance, I will grant it to them. Instead they do not respond. However later on they are back with the same cowdung stuff that the Vedas contains science.
Another of those cowdung claim is that the Vedic people were peaceful whereas Christians and Muslims are violent. I reply I point out that all vedic myths such as the Ramayan and Mahabharath are full of violence. I also point out that Emperor Asoka by his own admission turned Odissa into rivers of blood at least 300 years before Jesus was even born. Again the cowdungees do not answer. Instaed after some days they are back with the same claim that the Vedic people were peaceful.
Another bone of contention is that there was no caste in Hinduism, but that there is only Varna. I point out many examples in Manusmrithi as weell as in Ramayana and MB where it is evident that caste is by birrth. Cowdungees fail to reply. Instead after sometime some Sanghi is back with the same claim that there is not caste in Hinduism.
Now there is you sermonizing me. OK, provide evidence for the cowungee claims that there is science in the vedas, that there was no violence in vedic ages, that there was no cste but only varna. If you do that, I shall not use any abusive language. Otherwise, abuse is my only option to this constant barrage of cow-dung claims.
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 11:13, RAJESH SHREEDHARAN rajesh.shreedharan@gmail.com [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Dear Xavier William,I often wonder, why only one person over reacts to any post. that is you. What type of language you are using. I thought you must be some knowledgeable person. Since past two months i have been observing that we are receiving very very good post in this group except you. You have only to speak on this subject. Please try to move on and post something interesting which would be of interest to most of them.And please dont argue.---------- Forwarded message ---------
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Sanjeev,These cowdungees go on repeating the same thing over and over again about their ancient bullshit. I have asked them to cite at least a few verses of the Vedas as evidence to their claim that the Vedas contain science. They do not and cannot do that. Instead they go on repeating the same thing and abusing those who ask for evidence. No wonder 30000 English men were able to subdue 200 crore Cowdungees.The whole world is going forward while our cowdungees want to go backward.On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 at 18:01, s y kaluskar sykaluskar@hotmail.com [TheBecoming] <TheBecoming@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [FHRS_USA] Science in VedasDear Premji, Sardesaiji, Vivekji et. al.
Regarding Sciences in the Vedas.
We can selectively look at certain SLOKAS/ mantras in the Vedas.
We can compare THE WORD OF GOD = CHRISTIANITY N ALLAH= ISLAM and compare that assumptions to the thoughts in the Vedas.
Those writing should stop for a moment and ask themselves these questions.
1) WHICH GOD? IF CHRISTIAN HAVE THERE OWN GOD N MUSLIMS HAVE THEIR OWN ALLAH THEN HOW MANY GODS ARE THERE IN HEAVEN?
2) IN VEDICISM BRAHM, ISHWARA. ARE THE SUPREME DIVINE COSMIC ENERGY.
3) THE VEDAS AWAKENS THOUGHTS EMOTIONS REFLECTION WISDOM AND REFLECTION THE PANCH TATVAS TATVAS OF INTELLIGENCE .
4) IT IS FROM THESE FUNDAMENTAL TATVAS PRINCIPLES THAT ALL SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS PHYSICAL WORLD EVOLVED .
IT REMINDS ME OF THE MANTRA
OM PURNAMIDAH PURNAMIDAM PURNAAT PURNA MADHUJYATE PURNASYA PUNAMADAYA PUTNAM EVAH VASHISYATE
DOES THE CHRISTIAN --- MUSLIM CONCEPTS OF HAVE THIS IN THEIR DOCTRINES?
I CAN GO ON BUT WOULD SUGGEST TO EVERY ONE IF WASN'T FOR THE VEDAS, ANU VEDAS, UNADULTERATED MANU SMRITI AND CERTAIN PURANAS THE WORLD WOULD NOT BE AS IT IS TODAY.
IF 15000 YEARS AGO OUR ANCIENT RISHIS TELL OF THE of WORD OF THE MANY COSMOS ITS DISTANCES FROM EACH OTHER AND MOTHER EARTH IS BECAUSE OF THE PANCH TATVAS THAT VEDAS HAVE INSTRUMENTED IN MEDITATION WHICH THE WESTERN WORLD CALLED MINDFULNESS.
THE QUESTION IS DOES THE WORD OF GOD IN THOSE DOCTRINES HAVE ANY EVIDENCE.
I SUGGEST TO EVERY ONE PLEASE READ VEDIC WISDOM AND HERITAGE OF VEDIC CULTURE BY SATYAVRATA SIDDANTALANKAR YOUR THOUGHTS WILL BE AWAKEN.
AND HIDDEN YEARS OF JESUS THE CHRIST, CHRIST LIVED IN INDIA
FINALLY WHO IS THIS VIVEK ARYA I GATHER HE LIVES IN USA.
HE ASKED A PERTINENT QUESTION OF WHAT DO I THINK OF ARYA SAMAJ. I WROTE HIM DIRECTLY BUT DID NOT HAVE THE COURTESY TO RESPOND .
I FEEL I WILL RELEASE WHAT I WROTE TO EVERYONE
NAMASTE
DEVA
LONDON
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Subject: Re: [FHRS_USA] Science in Vedas--VIVEKJI, IT WILL BENEFIT ALL IF THIS DISCUSSION IS STOPPED HERE.
girish b desai
On Sunday, April 26, 2020, 12:08:49 AM CDT, vivek arya drvivekarya@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Prem ji
Why are you wasting time behind this person who don't know anything but he thinks that he knows everything.
Vivek
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 10:23, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA]<FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Dear Sh Premji,
Physical science is ever-improving and there is a time tested methodsto constantly upgrade and advance it. There is a standard operatingprocedure to experimentally validate the hypothesis and accept,discard or modify them. Hence it is a 'live' science and you can seetremendous progress all around you. There is a procedure to find outmistakes in the hypothesis. There is no such procedure in Vedas hence itnever changes.
As against this, Vedic 'science' does not qualify as science at all. Thereis no reasoning, no experimental validation, no peer review, no crossverification with actual observations, no falsifiability test, no rationalexplanation etc, which are hallmarks of science. Since there is no methodto test and verify whether the statement is true or false and no falsifiabilitytest (what evidence will convince you that your assumption is wrong),it does not change. Vedas did not change for thousands of years is itsweakness which invalidates it as science. Science can be proved wrongbecause it 's statements are valid and verifiable, they tell you if the assumptionis correct what we will observe etc. And if such and such effect is not observedor some other effect is observed rather than predicted, it is analysed againto check if the assumptions are valid or what modifications are required.Vedas has no such mechanism.
I have asked you a simple question as to what will convince you that thereis no god, Vedas is not from and assisting Viahwakarma (i.e. creationism story)by humans in maintaining order in-universe is futile grandiose and self importance. Can you tell what are the tests to check if your statements aretrue or false?
You always quote scientists out of context and just cherry-pick what supportsyou by twisting their statements. Why don't you accept that what scientistssay is not important but what they prove scientifically? Have Einstein orany other scientist proved existence of god? Do you know his 'definition'of god does not tally with believers' ideas? How did Einstein know hiddenvariables are known only to god? What are these hidden variables andhow Einstein concluded that they are known to god? You clutch to straystraws in the wind and draw solid conclusions which are life-changing.But extraordinary statements need extraordinary evidence which is notforthcoming from believers.
Sanjeev
On Sunday, 26 April, 2020, 07:39:32 am IST, 'Prem Sabhlok' sab_prem@rediffmail.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Dear Sh. Sanjeev Kulkarni,
Kindly appreciate Vedic Physical sciences remained constant for thousands of years and no scientist could prove these wrong. But Physical sciences during the last a few hundred years came to certain contradictory conclusions. Till date physical scientists are doing their best to know complete properties of all elements on this earth. They have not succeeded till date how these elements got these properties and what is the cause of various scientific laws.Vedic Ashvinaus (Scientists) studied physical sciences as part of Metaphysics (spiritual science) and discovered eternal truths in physical, social and spiritual sciences. To day a very large number of scientists are in search of their inner world but refusing to accept the reality that physical sciences in isolation are ignorance and can harm mankind, animate life. Issac Newton, Tyndall, Albert Einstein and many others accepted that all hidden variables are only known to God.
Regards
Prem Sabhlok
You don't have to request anyone. Nobody has time and interestin such things anyway. So simply 'unsubscribe' and you willautomatically stop receiving any emails.SanjeevOn Thursday, 23 April, 2020, 11:14:59 pm IST, Ayodhya Shrivastav apshrivastav@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Please cut my name from your emailing list.
Best Regards,Ayodhya P Shrivastav
On Apr 22, 2020, at 10:22 PM, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com" target='_blank' rel=external>jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com');" >FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Kumar ji,Do you know how the ignorant people reacted when Galileo challengedtheir 'holy science in scriptures' and proved it to be wrong? They werevery furious and thought it is threatening because it pulled them out oftheir comfort zones. They thought the truth is 'bullying' and did not want tohear about it. Unfortunately, science and reality cannot be wished awaylike this. Same thing to happen about Vedas too. Even if some peopleprefer to bury their head in sand and pretend nothing is happening around,only they will remain in dark but not the world. I will put forward the truth.I am not here to please anyone. If the truth hurts, it is their problem.SanjeevOn Thursday, 23 April, 2020, 01:07:43 am IST, Kumar Arun kumar2786@hotmail.com');" >kumar2786@hotmail.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com');" >fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Shriman Sanjeevji,Please let every one know about yourself in detail, please be sensitive to other's views and proceed only with "real quotes emerging within our ancient scriptures", please!Respectfully,Kumar ArunSent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 5:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [FHRS_USA] Science in VedasDear Fellow Hindus,We can be respectful to each other, not calling by name other than what is family given, and try to maintain a constructive debate/discussion/rebuttal, etc. This is the better way to learn from each other. Hope the debate continues!With due respect to you all,Kumar Arun
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Sanjeevji,stop bullying.admin pl take my name off subscription list.this site discusses only 'SCIENCE IN VEDAS, HANUMAN, a MONKEY GOD AND what error Gandhiji committ."Wasting everybody's time in small matters with curse words and bullying language.girish b desaiOn Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 12:42:20 AM CDT, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com" target='_blank' rel=external>jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com');" >fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Agree with you. More things appear to change, more they remain the same.People will not reply, no counter-argument. Only this person "knows all" sobanish him. Is it any wonder these people could not protect their society,their nation or their women? They remained slaves of handful of foreignershaving a different mindset. British were only 3000 when they ruled 40 cr.Indians. You can wake up sleeping people. You cannot do anything for thepeople in deep coma of ignorance.SanjeevOn Wednesday, 22 April, 2020, 10:47:39 am IST, vasant sardesai vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in');" >vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com');" >fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
r case is smilar to Charvak'sV. S. SardesaiOn Tuesday, 21 April, 2020, 10:15:20 pm IST, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com" target='_blank' rel=external>jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com');" >fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
OK. I will stop posting on this group. This is how Charvak was also'defeated' in India and we all know what happened afterwards. Welearn from history that we don't learn from history.Good Bye!SanjeevOn Tuesday, 21 April, 2020, 08:59:50 pm IST, vivek arya drvivekarya@yahoo.com');" >drvivekarya@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com');" >fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Thanks Raj Ji .On Tuesday, 21 April 2020, 05:55:14 pm GMT+5:30, Raj Shah raj@globalams.com');" >raj@globalams.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com');" >fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
i agree with Dr.Vivek Arya JI.We all Should ignore " KNOW IT ALL" Sanjeev.Raj ShahOn Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:12 AM vivek arya drvivekarya@yahoo.com');" > drvivekarya@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com');" >FHRS_USA@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
No need for me to answer you. Since last many days you are posting comments against Vedas. I dont consider you a serious reader and writer.On Tuesday, 21 April 2020, 11:34:52 am GMT+5:30, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com" target='_blank' rel=external> jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com');" >fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
And you are Doctor in which discipline? Which institute conferreddoctorate on you?SanjeevOn Tuesday, 21 April, 2020, 07:57:11 am IST, vivek arya drvivekarya@yahoo.com');" > drvivekarya@yahoo.com [FHRS_USA] <fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com');" >fhrs_usa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Mr Sanjeev will not reply anything because he don't know anything. Better to ignore him. We have lot of works to do.
Dr Vivek Arya
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