Garg,
There are two important rules for discussions and debates 1. Define the terms used 2. Provide evidence for your statements. You have been flouting these in spite of repeated reminders.
This is the upteenth time that people like you make claims that the vedas are scientific but failing to evidence evidence for the same. This leaves me no choice but to call your bluff. If you are offended I am sorry. But heenceforth make sure that you keep t the rules of discussions 1. Define the terms used 2. Provide evidence for your statements.
I am not here to hear about the assumed greatness of your ancestors.
On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 at 07:10, 'K. C. Garg' kcg831@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Mr, Xavier William,Mind your language.On Thursday, January 16, 2020, 08:19:32 AM GMT+5:30, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Garg,Dont go on babbling about vedas.There are two important ingredients to any discussion. 1. Define the terms you use. 2. Give evidence for your assertions.You boast the Vedas are scientific. Give at least a few verses of any of the four vedas which have scientific relevance.You speak of Dharama. Pl define the word dharma in one sentence..If you cannot do this dont go on blah blahing about Vedas being scientific and dharmic.On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 06:25, 'K. C. Garg' kcg831@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Sanjeev Ji,Vedas teach only scientific, natural humanity.It is not a religion. It is Dharam.Religions are designed by different men...Dharam is given by God in the beginning of the universe.Krishanj GargOn Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 10:37:35 AM GMT+5:30, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:I fully agree. Time and energy spent on stone-age thinking isa waste of money. We should teach scientific temper instead.SanjeevOn Wednesday, 15 January, 2020, 10:35:29 am IST, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:As an atheist I am of the opinion that no religion should be taught in schools since all religions are packed with superstitions without any evidence. Maybe we can teach stories from the scriptures just like other stories of Shakespeare or Harry Potter or Kalidasa are taught.I am not an expert in myths. I have read a major part of the Bible, far more than most Christian devotees have read. My opinion is that the stories of the Bible are boring are childish.I have read the Iliad on the Trojan war and and its sequel the Odyssey on the adventures of Odysseus after the Trojan war. They are far more interesting than the Bible. But I have not read the other Greek myths.I have read the Epic of Gilgamesh which forms part of the Babylonian myths. These are also little better than any other myth.In contrast the Ramayan and the Mahabharath are far more intriguing and mature. But in the final analysis they are also nothing but myths without any evidence and should be treated like Harry Potter stories which I understand are also very enticing.I can say that the Mahabharath is the best myth I have read. But I cannot say it is the best in the world since I have not read all the myths of the world.These myths may have had moral values for the people of those times, places and societies. But they have no significance for today's world. Instead each modern state has hundreds of thousands of rules and regulations enacted by elected bodies. What is more these modern laws and regulations are modified to accommodate changing social realities. In contrast religious laws and regulations never change and leave no room for improvement in an ever changing social environment.The only people who benefit from religions are the priests. This has been recognized at least 5000 years ago. Thus 5000 or more years ago declared the Vedas to be incoherent rhapsodies whose only usefulness was to provide livelihood to priests. They also held the belief that Vedas were invented by man, and had no divine authority. The same can be said of any religion and/or religious texts.In many religions including Hinduism and Christianity, fire is still made for poojas and ceremonies by the ancient way of rubbing two pieces of wood together. It is the same way with all religious practices and morals and dharma or whatever you call it.In conclusion teaching religion in schools is a sheer waste of time like teaching children to how to make fire by rubbing wood together when we already have matches and other implements which can make fires without even a fraction of the effort in making the fire by rubbing wood together.On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 at 15:27, Deva Sarran Samaroo devasamaroo@hotmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Xavierji
Glad you have read the Vedas. The Discussion is should HINDUISM BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS AND COLLEGES LIKE CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM ?.
AND WHAT SHOULD BE THE CONTENTS OF THE THE CIRRICULUM.
Deva
From: aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 9:24:11 AM
To: Arya Arya <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [aryayouthgroup] Re: HINDUISM NOT BEING TAUGHT IN INDIAN SCHOOLSI have read the Rig Vedas and read about the other Vedas. All of them are hymns in favor of some of the Vedic gods.
There is no science or Dharma in the Vedas. My number is India-9388605944. Calling me on the phone may not be the best way. Instead cite verses from the VEdas which promote Dharma. I have also cpointed out the violence in Vedic scriptures. But you do not reply. Instead you go on repeating the same thing. This is not a fair discussion.
Dharma means obligations or duties or laws. These change with everyday as the society develops. So dharma written 3000 years ago cannot be useful today since we have a different way of life from the Vedic age.
On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 17:46, 'K. C. Garg' kcg831@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Mr. Xavier William,If you are honestly interested in knowing about the Vedas please give me a call at 0172-4010679or give me your telephone number I will call you.Thank you.Krishan Garg
On Saturday, January 11, 2020, 08:00:34 AM GMT+5:30, Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Garg,Can you please cite some verses from the Vedas which teach Dharam. The Vedas are nothing but praises to the gods. First read the Vedas and then make such pompous claims.As for Dharam it is not something fixed. Our sense of ethics and morals changes with time. So what was Dharam yesterday is not dharam today and what is dharam today will not be dharam tomorrow. So to say that dharam should fixed on some ancient scriptures is absurd.In the past slavery, sati, caste etc were Dharam, but not any more. What is more we now have millions of codes and rules for our modern life. For instance what does the vedas or the bible say about traffic rules, banking rules, cyber laws, copyright laws and so on. Our parliament and assemblies are making rules and laws at every session in accordance with modern life. So why should we go back to our illiterate and ignorant ancestors for guidance on modern life? Ancient laws are as suited for modern life as a chisel and hammer are suited for repairing modern computers.
On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 06:56, 'K. C. Garg' kcg831@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Vedas are the books that tell you all about the humanity, which is Dharam and not religion.Dharam is for all men and women and religion is only for a sect.Dharam is given by God for the whole universe. Religion is made by a human being.Krishan Garg
On Friday, January 10, 2020, 08:02:47 PM GMT+5:30, shirish dave smdave1940@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hinduism must be taught at High School and university level
Hinduism is complete in its self. It is the religion fit for every type of person.
Geeta and Adwait are the top subjects of Hindu religion.
On Wednesday, 8 January, 2020, 01:21:04 am IST, Deva Sarran Samaroo <devasamaroo@hotmail.com> wrote:
IS THERE A LAW THAT BANMING THE TEACHING OF HINDUISM IN INDIAN SCHOOLS
AFTER CHECKING AND SEARCHING AND EXAMINING FACTS UNABLE TO FIND A NEHRU LAW THAT BANNED TEACHING OF HINDUISM IN SCHOOLS
HOPE TAKE GOVERNMENT TAKES NOTE AND MY FRIEND SHRI PRAKASH JAVADEKAR TAKES NOTE
History states that British stopped state subsidy of schools and that resulted in illiteracy.
I have been reading that Nehru banned teaching of Hinduism religion in schools.
While Muslims and Christians are allowed to do so.
On googling I could not find any LAW BANNING THE TEACHING OF HINDUISM ON SCHOOLS
SO WHERE DID THIS MOTION COMES FROM?
THE QUESTION IS -- IS THERE A LAW WHICH OVERTLY OR COVERTLY STOP THE TEACHING OF HINDUISM IN SCHOOLS?
There is no such law that directly bans Hindu religious teaching.
The RTE, however, is causing problems to educational institutions run by Hindus.
Since such institutions are most likely to teach Hinduism-related content, when such schools are suffering (as opposed to minority-run schools), it is indirectly have consequences and impacts the imparting of the Hindu religion and religious believes based teachings to our children and future generation.
PM NARENDRA MODIJI IT IS TIME TO CORRECT THIS ANOMALY.
THUS I PRAY
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The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover
"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymous
A man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!
--The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymousA man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!
--The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymousA man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!
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"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymous
A man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!
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