Shirish,
Sanghis are now trying to rewrite history and to interpret it to suit their new political ambitions. The claim that there was no caste hierarchy based on birth is a strategy of their new ambitions.
The well known Purusha Sukta which is found in all the four Vedas it describes the origin of the world and society. It says that society is like a person with four functions. Brahmins originate from the mouth of the society in the form of a person (purusha) i.e. they are the teachers and instructors. The Kshatriyas arise from the arms i.e. the protectors and managers, the Vaishyas arise from the thighs - i.e. the merchants and entrepreneurs and the Sudras from the feet i.e. the farmers, artisans, tradesmen, workers.
The Manusmrithi is the handbook of caste and gender discriminations. The Arthsasthra also talks of special privileges to the Brahmins such as free ferry.
A new ruse of the Sanghis is to say that if there are any incidents of caste discriminations in the Hindu myths they say that it was not in the original works.
The Ramayana narrates the story of Shambuk a Sudra who dares to conduct Poojas against the custom. Now Sanghis say that this story was introduced later.
I had a classmate from the scheduled caste. He took an MSc in chemistry and was the dean of a university in Kerala when he retired. He married a doctor of the same caste. One of his elder brothers was a mechanic while his eldest brother was a poor agricultural worker like his forefathers. So we have the parents who were agricultural workers, one of their sons was a professor with a lady doctor as wife, another was a mechanic who has set up a workshop and the eldest was an illiterate agricultural worker like his fore fathers. My friends daughter got Masters in Management from IIM Gujerat. I do not know how her cousins fared. Do you mean to say that my friend is a Brahmin, his brother is a vysya and the eldest brother is a soodra?
If your claims are tenable then in the same family there will be all four castes depending on their employments. Would you marry your daughter off to the son of Balkrishnan the erstwhile chief justice of the Supreme Court?
The Manusmrithi states clearly that a 80 year old Kshatriya must defer to an eight year old Brahmin as if the Boy were the latter's own father.
Then there is Parasuram who killed Kshatriyas without consideration of age or gender including unborn children in the womb. How did Parasuram determine the Varna or the caste of the unborn fetus?
So Sanghis dont think only Sanghis have sense, that all the others are fools?
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 13:18, shirish dave smdave1940@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Dr. Ranjit Singh,Veda/Vedas are standard books. They are difficult to understand by common mass, that is why Geeta was interpolated in Mahabharat. But where there is contradiction between Veda and Geeta, the Veda is to be taken as correct. This was advised by Shankarachaarya who wrote Adwait based on Veda.There are many events which were interpolated in epics. By the style of Sanskrit language the time of a hymn can be made.Geeta says the Varna has been made by nature (me), based on the work you chose and you got expertise. Your duty to stick to your duty (Dharma) unless you get an expertise in other types of work. The mindset is always developed by the type of Work one performs. Now a days we have Labor-Union/officers' association/political unions/traders union/manuIndian society was a decentralized society and thereby in general the knowledge and skill used to be parental. But there was no ban to change the type of work. We have got lot of evidences where the type of work by some persons had changed. They were honored also.But without being expert in the other work you need not switch over to that job.Lord Krishna says to Arjun this only, when Arjun starts his philosophy just to avoid the battle. Then Krshna says you are expert in battle field. You are not expert in philosophy. Hence do not talk philosophy.MK Gandhi gives one example. A surgeon has expertise in surgery. He is at the surgical operation table. The patient was brought on the table. Everything was ready. Suddenly the surgeon refuse to carry out operation on unsustainable reasons.Jati and Varna are different. Jati means race. Vanar is a Jati. Is it human or not. एषः नरः अस्ति वा न अस्ति वा, इति वानरःVanar was not a monkey. Off course Monkey was called Vanara. It is just like the other name of rice (Anna) is ashva too.Among Jati-s there was no upper and lower level in general.After 12 th or 13th Century Caste (Caste is not a correct word) alias Varn became by birth. But there were many prominent persons who had opposed to term Dalit as untouchable. Levels were there among Varnas, but they were changeable.On Wednesday, 22 January, 2020, 06:39:54 am IST, ranjeet singh <live_by_dharma@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:Dear Shree Deva Samaroo jee,
We are glad to know that you too are a Medical Doctor. We are also glad to learn that you had done the first heart transplant in this country. Dr Raj Pandit is a well known Consultant Cardiologist and we were a Paediatrician, now retired some four decades ago.
You wrote, you are a Vedic Priest. You must then be an Arya Samajic Priest. We, wish you greater achievements in the Surgical field.
To tell you the truth, Sir, we could not understand the next line of your post wherein you had written; "To as questions where this is said or that is said in a manner that is confounded of pointed ignorance and inquisitive irrelavance." Will you please explain and also tell what this 'confounded pointed ignorance and inquisitive irrelevance' is and also how?
You have claimed: "Nowhere in Valmiki Ramayan caste is discussed where it is mentioned it is Varnic classification". If that is the case, could we know, how was there a mention of a dhobi, a Nishad Raj Guha, a Kevat, Sumant a charioteer, and Bhaats and Vandi Jans in Maharaj Janak's court? Will you please answer and explain?
We are astounded to read your statement that there are no mention of Jatis in Mahabharat? Sir, the words 'Sankar' 'Varna-Sankar' and 'Jati Dharmaah' are there even in the first chapter of Bhagavad Gita, a part of Mahabharat. Are you really sure Jatis are not mentioned in Mahabharat? Could we know who had purchased Maharaj Harishchandra? Was he not a 'Dom'? We can enumerate several and several if you would like us to.
In the end, you write: "So please come clean where I am concern or else I tear you apart". But come clean on what Sir – and why should you, and for what fault of ours should you have to tear us apart? And, please note, you have not answered, nay even touched the points we had raised and the questions we had asked on what you had written? Why? Should you not have?
Thanking you and with kind regards,
Dr Ranjeet Singh
On Saturday, 18 January 2020, 13:52:16 GMT, Deva Sarran Samaroo devasamaroo@hotmail.com [kerala-hindus] <kerala-hindus@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Dear Dr. Raj Pandit n Dr. Ranjeet Singh
I am the original writer of subject matter
WHICH CASTE ARE YOU?
I am a Medical doctor also retired CARDIO THORACIC INVOLVED IN THE FIRST HEART TRANSPLANT . FIRST HEART LUNG TRANSPLANT, FIRST HEART LUNG LIVER TRANSPLANT, FIRST DIAPHRAM TRANSPLANT, FIRST PIGGY BACK CARDIOPLASTY TRANSPLANT , FIRST BABOON-CHILD KIDNEY FILTRATION SYSTEM IN UK.
I do not show my ignorance. I a Hindu Vedic Priest also.
AS a devout Hindu it is my duty to discus issues that affects my HINDU SOCIETY AND MORE SO MY DHARTI MA KNOWN AS MOTHER INDIA HINDUSTAN.
To as questions where this is said or that is said in a manner that is confounded of pointed ignorance and inquisitive irrelavance.
Rightly so because of what is being asked and in the manner it is being asked behold the asker questioner to be questioned .WHO ARE YOU?
MC VIKRAMJI WAS RIGHT TO ASK WHO ARE YOU?
NOW LET ME EDUCATE BOTH OF YOU .
NO WHERE IN VALMIKI RAMAYAN CASTE IS DISCUSSED WHERE IT IS MENTIONED IS VARNIC CLASSIFICATION .THERE ARE 4 VEDAS AND 42 ANU VEDAS ALL DEALS WITH VARIOUS SUBJECT MATTERS RELATED TO DHARMA, GOVERNING PRINCIPLES OF SOCIETY AND COUNTRY NO WHERE CASTE IS MENTIONED.
THERE ARE 42 CHAPTERS OF THE MAHABHARATA NO WHERE CASTE IS MENTIONED
OUT IF THAT 42 CHAPTERS 18 CHAPTERS IS THE BHAGWAT GITA.( NOT BHAGWAT PURAN)THE BHAGWAT GITA IS DIVIDED INTO THREE SECTION OF 6 CHAPTERS EACH 5 CHAPTERS OF EACH DEALS GYAN, BHAKTI N KARMA. ONE CHARPTER OF EACH IF THE SECTIONS DEALS WITH PURE PHILOSOPHY OF LIFE.
NOW YOU MAY ASK WHY 42 CHAPTERS IN MAHABHARTA AND 42 ANU VEDAS. ORIGINALLY IN THOUSANDS YEARS BC THERE WERE 42 KNOWN ENEGY MATERIAL PRINCIPLES OF MOTHER EARTH.
SECONDLY THAT IS WHY 42 INGREDIENTS MAKE UP SAMAGRI USED IN HINDU RITUALS.
WHY 18 CHAPTERS OF THE BHAGWAT GITA THAT IS 3X5 PANCH THATWAS X 3 GUNAS RAJO, THAMO, SATHO GUNAS == 18.
PLEASE DON'T LET ME TEACH YOU THE DEEP PHILOSOPHY OF HINDUISM
AND AS ONE PERSON CLAIMING THAT YOU ALL MAY BE CHRISTIAN BY BELIEVES POSING WITH HINDU NAMES
IF YOU ARE -- THEN LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT CHRISTIANITY WHY DID JOSEPH RAPE MARY AT AGE 15 THEN GIVE BIRTH TO CHRIST. YOU CALL IT VIRGIN BIRTH THAT MEANS INVITRIO FERTILIZATION.
WHEN BIBLE SAY FOR 14 YEARS CHRIST WAS LEARNING CARPENTRY WITH FATHER JOSEPH WHEREAS HE WAS IN INDIA LEANING HINDUISM BUDDHISM AND YOGA .
READ THE HIDDEN YEARS OF JESUS THE CHRIST, CHRIST LIVED IN INDIA. ALL WRITTEN BY WHITE CHRISTIAN PEOPLE
SO PLEASE COME CLEAN WHERE I AM CONCERN OR ELSE I TEAR YOU APART
DEVA
From: nalin parekh nalinparekh@hotmail.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 15 January 2020, 19:29
To: aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [aryayouthgroup] Re: [kerala-hindus] WHICH CASTE ARE YOU ?
Who is this Dr. Ranjeet Sing?
Has anyone seen him?
Does anyone knows him?
Is it just another fake name for covert Chrislamists?
Just Wondering..Chrislamist comes under all sorts of names, colors and banners..
Nalin
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Subject: [aryayouthgroup] Re: [kerala-hindus] WHICH CASTE ARE YOU ?Shree Deva Sarran Samaroo jee has put a doltish, laughable dialogue in his post when he wrote and asked: "What is your caste"; and then answerd: "Software". He then asked: "What is the caste of your father" and put the reply: "Electrical". Are these, Software and Electrical, castes Sir? Shouldn't names of the caste been a noun? Would you please disclose and tell how is electrical a noun hence name of a caste? We do not understand why are you treating such an important subject of Hinduism as Caste so lightly, in a laughable, childish and irresponsible manner? Sir, if Varnas and Castes are removed from Hindu Dharma, where shall it be? Will you tell where this particular and novel Hindu Dharma, Hinduism is written and propounded?
Next, you divulge and educate: According to Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 4, shloka 13 Caste is based on occupation (work) but not on birth. And then requested – "Share if you agree"..
But we DO NOT and hence, instead ask: Where does that particular shloka of Shrimad Bhagavad Gita say – and in which words does it say that? Would you please point them out and disclose? Which are the words therein which say or mean "but not on birth"?
You have written next: "WHO ARE YOU == OH I MEAN YOUR CASTE. READ CHAPTER 4 and 18 of the BHAGWAT GITA. SO IF AND WHEN YOU DIE ONLY YOUR OWN CASTE CAN TOUCH TO CREMATE/ BURY YOU. BUT REMEMBER AT THAT TIME YOU HAVE NO CASTE." – Shree Samaroo jee, where do chapters 4 and 16 say the above, that you have no caste? Will you please point out and quote those words,and also tell why Narendra Modi should have separate coaches for all the castes you have given numbers of? Have those two chapters of Bhagavad Gita even obliquely said that? Where? If it has not; why did you write all that and tried to misinform and mislead ordinary Hindus? What sort of Hindu Prem and sense of Hindu welfare is this?Thanking you and with kind regards,
Dr Ranjeet Singh
On Saturday, 11 January 2020, 07:41:05 GMT, Deva Sarran Samaroo devasamaroo@hotmail.com [kerala-hindus] <kerala-hindus@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
WHO ARE YOU == OH I MEAN YOUR CASTE:.
READ CHAPTER 4 and 18 of the BHAGWAT GITA
SO IF AND WHEN YOU DIE ONLY YOUR OWN CASTE CAN TOUCH TO CREMATE/ BURY YOU
BUT REMEMBER AT THAT TIME YOU HAVE NO CASTE.
SO PM. NARENDRA MODIJI SHOULD HAVE SPECIAL METRO COACHES FOR EACH OF THE 108 CASTES IN HINDUISM, 54 CASTES IN ISLAM ,AND 52 CASTES IN CHRISTIANITY PLUS COUNTLESS OBC CASTES
SO YOU WILL NEED TO WALK WITH YOUR CASTE ID PLEASE SO METRO CHIEF AND GOD CAN CHECK YOU OUT TO SEE WHICH NARAK METRO YOU NEED TO GO TO.
THUS GOD WILL NEED TO CREATE MORE NARAKS
THUS I PRAY THAT AS HUMAN YOU COME TO YOUR SENSES BE RATIONAL AS NO ONE CAN EXISTS WITHOUT OTHERS IRRESPECTIVE OF RELIGION CASTE CREED NOR CAN HUMAN EXISTS WITHOUT BEES, EARTH WORMS, SNAILS AND OTHER INSECTS AND ANIMALS AS THE POLINATE, FERTILIZE FRUITS TREES EDIBLE PLANTS FOR HUMANS TO EXISTS.....
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"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymous
A man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!
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