You have claimed or boasted again and again that your ancestors were peaceful and never resorted to violence and I have always countered that caste was a form of violence and that Asoka was as aggressive and violent as Alexander or the Muslims. In the same way you vilify Max Muller for proposing the Aryan invasion theory and have promoted the out of India theory though the rest of the world does not support it. You are opposing the Aryan invasion theory because it implies that your forefathers were aggressors. But does not the out of India theory also imply aggression on people outside India?
I am as much an Indian as you are. But I do not see things in the 'them-against-us' perspective as you do. To you whatever others do are bad and whatever you and your people are do. To me there were and are good people and bad people everywhere, aggressive people and peaceful paper everywhere etc. You pass judgement based on the man in the dock rather than on the actions of the man. I pass judgements on the act rather than on who did it. I also think that violence is one of our basic characters and there are no exceptions. But you go on harping that your ancestors were exceptions.
As for Natgeo or other Western media not promoting Indian emperors and their glories, it is their money and resources which are involved, and they have the freedom to use it whichever way they want. if your want to promote your ancestors and their glories and their ability to make intergalactic planes you are also free to do it at your expense. Instead you blame Nategeo for doing what they want with their money.
On 29 May 2015 at 12:57, vasant sardesai vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in [Janshakti] wrote:
Have we ever said that Indian Kings never attacked the neighboring kingdom or annexed any other kingdom to theirs? I think our complaint is that our kings have not been given place in history.
V. S. Sardesai
On Friday, 29 May 2015 8:35 AM, "Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [Janshakti]" wrote:
We blame Muslims and the West for their aggression and judge them as harshly as we can. But here we see a Hindutwadi trying to glorify Vikramaditya for building an empire which extended beyond Arabia though this expansion of the empire also must have come through aggression. Similarly Sanghis boast all the time about our culture being peaceful whereas they denigrate the Semitic and Western cultures as written in blood and gore. However when I point out that Ashoka converted the streets of Orissa into rivers of blood, that kings of Tranvancore have been attacking and plundering neighboring kingdoms from time immemorial (It is this plunder that is stashed away in the Trivandrum temple and which according to some reports is valued more than the gold at Fort Knox) Before that we know Ram attacked Lanka and the Kauravas and Pandavaas were ever at each other's throats. Kautilya's Arthasasthra gives prominence to tactics to be used in war. In fact our Indian history is like any history is written from one war to another by one king or another.
So if we look at it objectively and rationally we see that we were as aggressive as any people on earth and so I do not see why we blame others for the same crimes which we glorify when committed by our own ancestors. Why is there one yardstick for foreigners and another for us? Humanism demands that we judge the acts without looking at the agent behind the act. So I think there is no point in glorifying Vikramaditya et al for the same actions which we vilify in the Muslims and the British.
On 28 May 2015 at 22:26, Deen Chandora deenbc@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] wrote:
Namaste,
Thank you so much for this email. I cannot express my appreciation for your efforts. You have healed my wounds that were inflicted since I was child when I read these great empires but never ever saw in the school curriculum.Veer Sawarkar was right when he wrote "British and their subservient Congress pseudo-secularist administration maligned "One Thousand Golden years of Bharat.
Alas! There are people like you are still active vigorously to bring back our ancient glory and self esteem to forefront for today's generation.
When I see National Geographic special edition of Ancient Emperors I do not see names such as Vikramaditya whose rein and influence extended beyond central Asia and middle east including present day - Saudi Arabia.
I wish some genius like you can present bound big size book including Atlas showing such realistic presentation that can open the eyes of the west with a message that Glorious India was far more advanced than many of even present day western states.
Thanks,
Deen B ChandoraOn Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:13 PM, "Nagesh Bhandari nagibhandari@yahoo.com [RajivMalhotraDiscussion]" wrote:
Grand narrative of our country hidden from Indian population by colonial historians,pseudoseculars and sepoys.This should be brought to the knowledge of every Indian through efforts of HIST and others.Now it is high time that we should take concrete steps to do it.
Nagesh Bhandari
From:"Subir Ahluwalia"
Date:Wed, May 27, 2015 at 8:07 AM
Subject:Fwd: THE GREAT INDIAN KINGDOMS WHICH NEVER GOT A SIGNIFICANT PLACE IN OUR SCHOOL HISTORY BOOKS
A NEGLECTED OR SUPPRESSED HISTORICAL HERITAGE !!!
Col Subir Ahluwalia
Cell: +91 98999 66000THE GREAT INDIAN KINGDOMS WHICH NEVER GOT A SIGNIFICANT PLACE IN OUR SCHOOL HISTORY BOOKS.
RESHMANTH
All we ever studied in our history books was all about the glorified history of a very few kingdoms like Mughal Dynasty, Mysore Dynasty and the Delhi Sultanates.
In this article we are trying to bring out the real legacy of Indian Kings and dynasties under whom India progressed and flourished as a cultural, spiritual and social nation.
1. PALLAVA DYNASTY.
SourceFlickrThe Pallavas ruled the area of Andhra pradesh, Tamilnadu and Karnataka from 275 BCE to 882 BCE with Kanchipuram as their capital.
They are famous for their architectural work with rocks which produced marvels like the Mahabalipuram temple and creating the modern form Brahmi script which influenced the genesis of almost all Southeast Asian scripts.Thailand, Indonasia, Burma and other Southeast Asian Scripts are evolved from Brahmi script which was the Pallavas creation.
2. THE MARATHA EMPIRE.
Sourcehttp://iyadav.com/The Marathas were a Hindu warrior group who established an empire that existed from 1674 to 1818 in the present day Maharashtra that rose to prominence by establishing 'Hindavi Swarajya'. They are mainly credited for ending the Mughal rule in India.
SourcewikipediaThey ruled almost the whole India with an exception of Andhra and tamil nadu and a part of kerala. They are known to be fierce warriors of small stature who are said to be devoted Hindus and never ate meat. Thanjavur was their capital.
Some of the famous rulers include Chathrapathi Sivaji, Baji Rao 1 and Rajaram Chhatrapati.3. VIJAYANAGARA EMPIRE.
SourceThe Vijayanagara Empire lasted for 3 centuries from 1336 to 1660 before losing it to the Deccan sultanates. This period is said to be the golden period for the Telugu and Kannada cultures as they have established many monuments across South India and enabled fine arts and literature to reach new heights in Kannada,Telugu, Tamil and Sanskrit, while Carnatic music evolved into its current form. They ruled the whole south India with Vijayanagara as their capital city.
Srikrishna Devaraya was the famous king of Vijayanagara samrajya. He was a devotee of Lord Venkateshwara and the Diamonds and Gold we see on lord Balaji in Tirumala are mostly his donations. It was known that Vijayanagara kingdom was equal to the rule of Lord Sri ram where people where happy and prosperous. He was called as "Kannada Rajya Rama Ramana" (Lord of the Kannada empire) and Andhra Bhoja.
4. KINGDOM OF KOCHIN.
SourcewikipediaThis Kingdom lasted for 7 centuries from early 1200s to 1947 surviving every foreign invasion. They are said to be excellent negotiators and tacticians. They formed relations with all their surrounding kingdoms and played their cards wisely. Their capital changed over time but they mainly ruled in the areas surrounding Kochin.
5. KAKATIYA DYNASTY.
The Kakatiyas ruled from 1083 to 1323 with orugallu (Warangal) as their capital extending to the whole of Andhra along with a part of Telangana, Karnataka and Tamilnadu. The kakatiya kings are said to be given low importance to Caste system as a social identifier, anyone, regardless of birth, could use the nayakatitle to denote warrior status and the inscriptions suggest that people were not bound to an occupation by birth. This helped them flourish in war and arts alike. Agriculture was encouraged and many tribal people who previously had been nomadic settled as farmers and remained loyal to the Dynasty.
Sourceexploretelangana.comThe Warangal Fort, Thousand Pillar temple and the famous Kakatiya Toranam stand as an epitome of the kakatiya legacy.
Rani Rudramadevi, the famous queen of the Kakatiya dynasty set path for the Women to lead kingdoms in India as early as 12th century.6. GAJAPATHI KINGDOM.
SourceFlickrThe Gajapatis were a medieval Hindu dynastythat ruled over Kalinga (the present day Odisha), large parts of Andhra Pradesh and West Bengal, and the eastern and central parts of Madhya Pradesh and the southern parts of Bihar from 1434-1541. They were claimed to be descended from the Surya Vamsha (Sun Dyanasy) of the Mahabharata
"Gaja" in Oriya means elephant and "Pati" means master. As such, Gajapati etymologically means a king with an army of elephants. The literature Oriya flourished during this period and there have also been a merging of Oriyan, Telugu and Kannada cultures.They ruled from Mukhalingam of Srikakulam district of Andhra Pradesh and later moved their Capital to Cuttack. Religious leader Ramanujacharya had a great influence on the Raja Choda Ganga Deva, who renovated the Puri Jagannath Temple and another king from the dynasty, Narasimha Deva built the Sun Temple at Konark which are both Archaeological wonders.
7. THE PANDYAS.
The Pandyan dynasty was an ancient Tamil dynasty, one of the three Tamil dynasties, the other two being the Chola and the Chera.
No other dynasty in the world has ruled more duration than the Pandyas, if you refer ancient Mahabharata text you can see the name of Pandya King and they have survived till the early British conquest.Pandyas were experts in water management, agriculture (mostly near river banks) and fisheries and they were eminent sailors and sea traders too. They controlled the pearl fisheries along the South Indian coast, between Sri Lanka and India, which produced some of the finest pearls in the known ancient world.
8. THE CHOLA DYNASTY.
The Chola dynasty was one of the longest-ruling dynasties in the history of southern India spanning between 300s BCE–1279 CE.
Together with the Chera and Pandya dynasties, the Cholas formed the three main Tamil dynasties of Iron Age India, who were collectively known as the Three Crowned Kings.They mainly ruled the area between the Kaveri and Tungabhadra rivers. Their rule extended out of india when they successfully invaded cities of Srivijaya in Malaysia, Indonesia and Southern Thailand.
9. SATAVAHANA KINGDOM.
The Satavahana Empire also known as Andhra kingdom was an Indian dynasty based from Amaravati in Andhra Pradesh which is now back as Capital of Andhra Pradesh State. This dynasty extended to Junnar and Prathisthan in Maharashtra during the later years.
The territory of the empire covered much of India from 230 BCE onward. History suggests that it lasted about 450 years from 230 BCE to 22- CE. The Satavahanas are credited for establishing peace in the country, resisting the onslaught of foreigners after the decline of Mauryan Empire.10. HOYSALA EMPIRE.
The Hoysala empire was a prominent Southern Indian Kannadiga empire that ruled most of the modern-day state of Karnataka between the 10th and the 14th centuries. The capital of the Hoysalas was initially located at Belur but was later moved to Halebidu.
The empire is remembered today primarily for its temple architecture. Over a hundred surviving temples are scattered across Karnataka, including the well known Chennakesava Temple at Belur, the Hoysaleswara Temple at Halebidu, and the Kesava Temple at Somanathapura. The Hoysala rulers also patronised the fine arts, encouraging literature to flourish in Kannada and Sanskrit.11. MAGADHA KINGDOM.
Magadha was a kingdom which existed right from by Vedic period. It was born from the Gupta Kingdom and as the story goes, the kingdom was founded by King Jarasandha with Rajgir of Bihar as the capital.
Later Jarasandha was killed by Bheema in a wrestling duel and Pataliputra (Patna) was choosen as the new capital of this kingdom during the start of Kali Yuga. In the later years this kingdom transitioned into the celebrated Mauryan Empire that spanned almost whole of India.12. THE CHALUKYAS.
The Chalukya dynasty was an Indian royal dynasty that ruled large parts of southern and central India between the 6th and the 12th centuries.
They had their capital in 3 cities namely Badami and Kalyani of Karnataka and Vengi on the river of Godavari. This marks the first time a Southern India based kingdom took control and consolidated the entire region between the Kaveri and the Narmada rivers.The rise of this empire saw the birth of efficient administration, overseas trade and commerce and the development of new style of architecture called "Chalukyan architecture". The Kannada and Telugu literature flourished during their reign.
13. THE MAURYAS.
The Maurya dynasty was the superpower of the Iron Age India which existed between 320 BC to 185 BC. It was founded by Chandragupta Maurya in pataliputra and later extended to Afghanistan.
During the rule of Ashoka, the Great the kingdom managed to conquer the whole Indian sub continent and rule it as one dynasty. They were credited as the only people who could defeat King Alexander the Great. The Jain and Buddhist cultures flourished during this Kingdom.14. THE RAJPUTS.
Sourcearoundtheglobe.comThe Rajputs are a ancient dynasty that ruled a vast area of the subcontinent whic includes western, central, northern India and current eastern Pakistan.
They seem to have risen to prominence from the late 6th century CE and governed the the country with Rajastan as their base. They are credited as one of the very few dynasties who were unmoved from their capital by the Muslim sultanate.15. THE NANDA DYNASTY.
The Nanda dynasty originated from the region of Magadha in ancient India during the 4th century BC and lasted between 345–321 BCE. At its greatest extent, the empire ruled by the Nanda Dynasty extended from Bengal in the east, to Punjab in the west and as far south as the Vindhya mountains.
The rulers of this dynasty were famed for the great wealth which they accumulated. The Nanda Empire was later conquered by Chandragupta Maurya, who founded the Maurya Empire.The Nandas are described as the first empire builders in the recorded history of India. They inherited the large kingdom of Magadha and expanded it to yet more distant frontiers. To achieve this objective they built a vast army, consisting of 200,000 infantry, 20,000 cavalry, 2,000 war chariots and 3,000 war elephants.
16. THE GUPTAS.
The Gupta Empire which existed at its zenith from approximately 320 to 550 CE and covered much of the Indian Subcontinent. This period is called the Golden Age of India and was marked by extensive inventions and discoveries in science, technology, engineering, art, dialectic, literature, logic, mathematics, astronomy, religion, and philosophy that crystallized the elements of Hindu culture.
Chandra Gupta I, Samudra Gupta, and Chandra Gupta II were the most notable rulers of the Gupta dynasty. The Gupta period produced scholars such as Kalidasa, Aryabhata, Varahamihira, Vishnu Sharma and Vatsyayana who made great advancements in many academic fields.
Vatsayana of this kingdom wrote the world famous "Kama Sutra". One of the greatest inventions ever " 0 " was invented by Aryabhata in their period as Shoonya. Imagine world without it now.!
Regards
Xavier William
"Ridicule is often the only possible weapon against ridiculous propositions" Thomas Jefferson
Propositions which are revered today as sacred may prove to be ridiculous tomorrow - me
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