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[www.keralites.net] Re: [aryayouthgroup] Ishwar Nirakar Hai

Sanjeev,

There is no cure for rabies except death. Similarly fascists will never change their opinion. Even if they read something it is done only to confirm their rabies and not to find the various perspectives on any subject. So dont advise them. Go on hammering them with reason and show them how to conduct a proper dialogue instead of harping on their mad believes which have no evidence whatsoever.

On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 at 23:10, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Dear Amarnath ji,

Pls do not be afraid of changing your fond beliefs or whatever
is handed over to you from childhood as conventional
wisdom. We have moved from stone age only because we
adopted what was proved and did not rely on our superstitions.
We no more consider lightening, floods, accidents as punishment
from god as the stone age people assumed. Because now we
understand the scientific phenomenon behind every happening.

I have given you point-wise reply. But you are going around
with personal issues like ego, accepting something etc. Keep
aside personalities and concentrate on the subject proper.
Read the list of 'fallacies of critical thinking' to start with and
sharpen your logical thinking ability. It will liberate you.
The people on this forum cannot reply rationally and that is
why resort to abuse. Have you seen any scientist abusing
Einstein because he modified Newtonian physics and made it
more accurate even at the speed of light? Why you should
resot to abuse if someone comes up with different theory?
If you do not agree with it, just point out flaws in it with facts,
figures, logic, evidence and rational reasoning. Personal
attacks only show the intellectual shallowness of the person.

If you have any different story about the big bang, come up
with it and submit it to some scientific journal. You will
understand where you stand.

SANJEEV

On Friday, 12 June, 2020, 10:35:20 pm IST, amarnath gupta amarnath_gupta2003@yahoo.co.in [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Dear Sanjeev ji ,Namaste. I was bit busy . You have cleverly avoided saying-whether you too can have
shortcoming of any type ! If this is not SUPER-EGO ,what is it . I like to know the person I like to talk to. Too many people around !

"Nothing is outside of the universe. " Depends how you define /understand Universe. I may /not agree with Your Definition . Learn to give some credit also,that wont make you small . I am not pontificating,only suggesting .

You have not seen BIG Bang ! It is a hypothesis. If you are not a White-Supremacist ,what is the wisdom in not accepting -there could be other views on the creation . Do not read ,because you have
a diabolical distaste - a sure sign of a bloated personality ! Do you sometime like to see a mirror ?

On Friday, 12 June, 2020, 12:06:21 am IST, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

You have not said anything on my detailed reply. Any
problem?

SANJEEV

On Wednesday, 10 June, 2020, 11:19:44 pm IST, amarnath gupta amarnath_gupta2003@yahoo.co.in [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

It seems you have become habituated and inebriated with your KNOWLEDGE and pride . Soon all that
may be undone ! Time has powerfuL HANDS . Off with you bloated balloon . Empty vessel sounds much !

On Wednesday, 10 June, 2020, 10:59:25 pm IST, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Stick with the subject and discuss specific points if you have
something to say on that. Talking about ego, pride, too
much of anything etc. are personal matters and not the subject
of discussion. This is called fallacy of critical thinking.

SANJEEV

On Wednesday, 10 June, 2020, 03:20:20 pm IST, amarnath gupta amarnath_gupta2003@yahoo.co.in [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Dear, I did not expect you to equate me with a boy in Madarsa . This is height of insolence-only shows your ego & false pride in so-called knowledge -which you want to arrogantly display ! How can we discuss in such a situation!

"If anything existed ,scientists would have investigated " . Think-- Is there no scope of any investigation in future . This amounts to saying -there is no future. TOO much EGO -Sanjeev . Cut it out . Do that , please. TOO MUCH OF EVERYTHING IS BAD .

On Wednesday, 10 June, 2020, 03:01:04 pm IST, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

There are two types of short-comings. One, what you
have understood is flawed due to faulty methods and
unsubstantiated assumptions, combined with super-
stations and wishful thinking passed as 'wisdom'-
is one type.

Second, is what you have understood by experimentation
and other scientific validations but there is a gap between
what we have achieved and what additional details need to
be filled to complete the picture to make it more accurate in
more circumstances.

These are two types of short-comings and should not be
treated one and the same.

Scientifically Shakti is 'ability to do work' only. There is
no other definition nor other existence. If anything existed,
scientists would have investigated and written papers on it.

In Maharashtra, we call it Ardhanarinateshwar.

I understanding of big bang is based on scientific literature
written by prominent scientists, which is peer-reviewed and
authenticated by many experiments. There is no scope for
any imagination.

From where you got the idea that any astronomical event
is subject to philosophical treatise? What tools philosophers
use to verify their findings and what experimented are
conducted to understand the phenomenon? You are blindly
depending on philosophy which is ill-equipped to deal with
this subject. Your dependence on philosophy is in the same
category of madarsa teachers who teach their students that
earth is stationary and sun goes around it because Koran says
so. Instead of Koran only change, you have made is philosophy.
Qualitatively both the statements are of the same class.

SANJEEV

On Wednesday, 10 June, 2020, 01:17:15 pm IST, amarnath gupta amarnath_gupta2003@yahoo.co.in [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Agreed ,everyone has shortcomings ;do you agree ,about yourself ?

Shakti is Nirakar . What is Gun , we have to first clarify ! If it is quality or nature- again Shakti is Nirakar !
Pl comment .

It is Ardhanarishwar,NOt what you have written.

Who told -Big Bang is this or that ? You imagine things ?

Do you know where the phenomenon of Big Bang ,as told by Westerners and blindly accepted by so-called intellectuals , is discussed in much details in the greatest philosophical treatise ! Can you name it ? If yes ,do let me know ,please !

On Tuesday, 9 June, 2020, 11:47:28 pm IST, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Amarnath ji,

If Ishwar is nirgun nirakar how Shakti or Ardha narinateshwar
descriptions are applicable to it? Also, the big bang has no other
attributes like intelligence nor it is creator itself.. Big bang will
never show interest in your life, whereas Ishwar or god by
whatever name is supposed to take that interest.

Can discuss anything without hate, but believers are long
on abuse and short on rational arguments and when cannot
reply, start abuse as argument.

SANJEEV

On Monday, 8 June, 2020, 10:14:26 pm IST, amarnath gupta amarnath_gupta2003@yahoo.co.in [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Very correct, Sanjeev ji -it should be "Her " . The SHAKTI is feminine ! Also , ARDHA NAARISHWAR comes to mind ! You may like to know what is BIG BANG in our philosophy ! No need to be hateful or prejudicial !

On Sunday, 7 June, 2020, 05:03:04 pm IST, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Try using "Her" instead of "Him" to be more appropriate for
its supposed role.

Nothing is outside of the universe. And nothing that existed
before the universe can interact/influence anything after
the big bang. In other words, your creator is not existent
for us for all practical purposes.

SANJEEV

On Sunday, 7 June, 2020, 01:11:46 pm IST, amarnath gupta amarnath_gupta2003@yahoo.co.in [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

There has to be a word from those available in the language .This language is far too inadequate .
For e.g,there is no word for DHARMA . There could be many examples ! Word Salesman means a lady too.

In addition , it is rather childish to say ," .....in the universe ." What is bigger ? Universe is the creation of the Creator !

On Sunday, 7 June, 2020, 12:40:48 am IST, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Why call it "He"?

SANJEEV

On Saturday, 6 June, 2020, 11:57:12 pm IST, amarnath gupta amarnath_gupta2003@yahoo.co.in [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

You are right . There is nothing . NO THING. He is not a thing ,the way things are known ! Any way , there is no use telling !

On Saturday, 6 June, 2020, 11:55:07 am IST, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

There is nothing in this universe which fits this description
and possesses these attributes.

SANJEEV

On Saturday, 6 June, 2020, 09:35:37 am IST, 'K. C. Garg' kcg831@yahoo.com [aryayouthgroup] <aryayouthgroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



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Re: [www.keralites.net] Varna and Caste

I merely interpreted what was reported in the media. If my interpretation is wrong you can challenge it with reason. Instead you call me a moron; you speak about wine and you say I am writing nonsense. This is true sanghi fascist style. Your diatribes only prove my point that Sanghis are barbarians and do not know even the basics of how to conduct a dialogue or debate.

Discuss things like a civilized man. Barking like a mad dog is not going to do your cause any good.

On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 at 18:03, Madhampatti53 madhampatti53@gmail.com [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Some moron, who has been fed with the Holy Wine, has been writing some nonsense. I am surprised that the Keralites group has been encouraging such diatribe on its Channel. It's time some put a stop to this nonsense that is being perpetuated by some former fisherman.

On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 3:38 PM Xavier William varekatx@gmail.com [Keralites] <Keralites@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

There was no caste in India. It was the British who introduced caste and discrimination into India to divide and conquer. It was only after that Manu wrote so much about treating Sudras worse than cows. It was after the English introduced caste that Parasuram moved around killing Kshatriyas and Ram slit Shambuk's throat.
Before the British came and after they went there is no caste in India, but only Varna whereby people are divided by their profession and not by birth as during the British Raj.
Yesterday's news reports say "In a grim reminder of the 2016 Una flogging incident, three oppressed caste men were tied up, beaten, forcefully tonsured and paraded around with shoes hung around their necks in Lucknow's Barauli Khalilabad village for stealing a fan from a house of a 'Brahmin man"
The parents and brothers of these hapless Dalits were running teashops and so they were Vysyas according to the Varna system. However these three became Dalits when they stole the fans. In contrast the man from whose house they stole the fan had been born into another family running a teashop. But he was good at studies and became an Engineer and a Brahmin though his parents were Vysyas.
Bharath was Utopian where all men and women were equal and happy until the Muslims and British came and made it hell. Sara Jeshan se Acha Hindustan hamara. Hindus are saints and they are the foreign invaders who impoverished India so that they could steal from them. However it begs the question how a rich man or a rich country can go on stealing from a poor man or a poor country for some ten or more centuries. Of Sanghis know best.

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"All new ideas good or bad, great or small start with a one-man minority" - anonymous

A man without god is a man. A God without man is nothing!!

The greatest knowledge is the knowledge that there is so much more to know and the greatest discovery is the discovery that there is so much more to discover